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I am still keeping my documents in c:\docs\ - Am I mad?

  1. #21


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    W8.1, W7


    Quote Originally Posted by ship69 View Post
    All you can do is create a restore point and hope for the best. But this might not work
    Good point, disk error or serious file\OS corruption = any restore point rendered useless. I do regular imaging to external disk, Easeus has been working great here, and in addition keeping some Macrium images just in case.

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  2. #22


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by ship69 View Post
    Regarding having multiple partitions surely having too many become inefficient if for no other reason than because you need to leave some blank space in each one and so if you run out of space in one partition you can't use the spare space from any other partitions. To make the point - taken ad obsurdum if you had say 100 partitions just imagine the problems!
    You can run out of space if you don't plan (correctly) before you allocate you HDD/SSD space.

    I'm not sure what happens once you reach drive letter Z: in Windows.

    Quote Originally Posted by ship69 View Post
    lehnerus2000
    Please can you say more about imaging. I understand that there is no longer any (built-in) way backing up the operating system in Windows 8. All you can do is create a restore point and hope for the best. But this might not work. And I would be very VERY unhappy if I lost literally days and days of work getting my Windows 8 with all my settings and applications nicely installed.

    So is there any way of backing up an entire (512GB) disk, preferably stored nicely compressed onto some external hard disk? If so what software would you recommend to do so?
    I prefer to use Macrium Reflect.
    Imaging with free Macrium - Windows 7 Help Forums

    Other people have their own favourite imaging software.

    You don't have to backup each partition individually.
    You can select all of the partitions on a given HDD/SSD and image them in the one operation.
    Macrium will allow you to save your image to an external HDD (it will take longer as external drives are generally slower then internal drives).

    I have an internal Backup partition and I save my images to that.
    I copy them to external drives when I don't need to use my PC (i.e. overnight).
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 16 Oct 2013 at 21:21.
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  3. #23


    N. Calif
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    W10 Pro (desktop), W10 (laptop), W10 Pro (tablet), W10 (laptop)


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    ... I have an internal Backup partition and I save my images to that.
    I copy them to external drives when I don't need to use my PC (i.e. overnight).
    This seems very inefficient. Is there a reason that you don't schedule the backup to run overnight but point the backup at your external drive?
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  4. #24


    I have a 120GB SSD to boot my OS and I have all of my libraries pointed to my 3TB hard drive, so all of my data is stored there, as well as temp files, etc... Works well for me...
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  5. #25


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    A few reasons ...


    Quote Originally Posted by strollin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    ... I have an internal Backup partition and I save my images to that.
    I copy them to external drives when I don't need to use my PC (i.e. overnight).
    This seems very inefficient. Is there a reason that you don't schedule the backup to run overnight but point the backup at your external drive?
    A few reasons:
    • External HDDs (most of mine are USB2) are pathetically slow compared to internal drives.
    • Every time I tried to restore using the Linux recovery disc, it couldn't locate external HDDs (only internal and network)
    • I like to see that the operation has been completed (we get power failures due to fallen tree branches, usually overnight)
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  6. #26


    I always move all the data to other drives (by default) but for different reason, in case I have to reformat BOOT drive (or partition) than I don't loose data. Important data is always backed up on two other media. Better safe than sorry.
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  7. #27


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    Uh oh! W8.1 Problems!


    Apparently MS have scr**ed desktop users again.

    People may want to read these threads and articles:
    https://www.eightforums.com/windows-8...nother-dr.html
    Don't move your Windows user profiles folder to another drive | ZDNet
    Windows 8.1 seems to change the way 'My Documents' works

    Seems like MS haven't learnt their lesson and they keep creating new reasons for people/businesses to avoid the W8/W8.1 "upgrade".
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  8. #28


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Wait... I'm confused. How exactly is Microsoft *scre**ng* desktop users? They're only "scre**ng" people that disregarding Microsoft's explicit warnings to never do this in anything other than a test environment, and to not use these settings on your production machines.

    In other words, the technique used to move the profile folder is unsupported, has never been supported, and was always "use at your own risk, cause it could completely blow up on you at any moment". And when it does, suddenly it's Microsoft's fault.

    And you guys wonder why Microsoft doesn't like to give too many configuration options...
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  9. #29


    Sunnyvale, CA USA
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center (64-bit)


    I saw this thread and I thought I'd put in my views and experiences.

    I have quite a few SATA ports on my motherboard so I use them all. I have 6 physical SATA drives amounting to 14TB of storage.
    I have tried to partition things so that as many drives as possible can be used in parallel - that is, the drives have specific functions. That's because the main thing slowing down a drive is the access time moving the read/write head to the right platter spot. I am trying to allow 6 heads to work in parallel as much as possible.

    One drive is for Retrospect nightly incremental file backups and another is for periodic Acronis system image backups.
    I also have a drive partition that I use to hold my music, video and installation files. I never back this up because it is so big, but I do duplicate it to a separate drive and synchronize the two with ROBOCOPY scripts.

    On these two last physical drives I have two partitions each. The lower partition is for the music, video and install files, the other partition is called TMP1 and TMP2. These are at the top and very small. The top area has the fastest access times so I use these small partitions for things like the page files, the TEMP folders, the Windows Search database, Google caches, etc.
    I use environment variables to set TEMP paths here, and the other things are set using various control panel settings. For the Google stuff, I make a symlink in the AppData folder on the C: drive to the other partitions.

    For the user shell folders and libraries that are usually in C:\User\<user>, I use the Locate tab on these folders to put them on other drives.

    So, basically, the C drive partition is mostly just the OS and Program Files.

    I've been doing this initially in Windows 7 Pro and then upgraded 'in-place' to Windows 8 Pro WMC. I had no problems with that.

    But when I upgraded to Windows 8.1 Pro WMC I ran into problems with the User shell folders as outlined here:

    Windows 8.1 seems to change the way 'My Documents' works

    I fixed these problems by re-"Locate"-ing the user folders and editing remaining registry problems with RegEdit.

    I have no idea why this irregularity happened to me, others have not reported anything odd as far as I know.

    I went back to check my old Windows 8 images to see if I did anything unusual in the C:\User\ folders and I did not see anything out of the ordinary.

    Windows does make some junctions and links for things like Appdata and stuff like that, but I did not interfere with that stuff.
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  10. #30


    Sunnyvale, CA USA
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center (64-bit)


    Don't confuse 'profile folders' with 'user shell folders'. These are different beasts. I would never move a profile folder.
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