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Are computers outdating themselves in the long run?

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    BELGIUM
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    Are computers outdating themselves in the long run?


    hi guys,

    i get the feeling and this since a few years that computers are stuck in performance and development.

    CPU producers finally stopped making faster CPU's. Sure you get more threads and so, but i do not see much difference here at home CPU wise.

    The FSB seems still to be a problem which cannot be overcome. It is nice to multiply by 20 or 25, but let's face it,

    that cannot be the future.

    So motherboards always seem to improve however with limitations.

    SSD's or PCI-e cards are a good improvement over HDD's, and there still will come better solutions.

    Memory...soon we will have DDR4, that probably will start at 3000Mhz to go fast to 4000Mhz and more.

    What i try to say is: there should come a new technology in computer world.

    I remember Digital (bought by Compaq in 1998) had a different approach in computing, but disappeared after C

    Compaq bought this. Probably to get rid of Digital's concurrence.

    Maybe this belongs in Drivers & Hardware, but since it is a General Discussion.....

    Jeff

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    Harrisonburg, Va.
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    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quantum computing perhaps.
    I think there is no limit to computing power.

    Maybe hybrid computer/human interface.
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    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Pretty heavy thread...

    The actual speed limits seem to be reached but from a user point of view.
    On a technical point of view every minor improvement counts and you'll consider some of these steps too small.
    That's why I don't expect huge leaps in short time only on the long run.

    It's not the future, it's always the present. It will be the future...

    Electronic components always improved and the nano scale will be ultimate for them.
    We still fix minor things here and there, as you said.
    We wait for Magnetic RAM (MRAM) as well: no more booting like we know it now.

    The next level will however require major breakthroughs on the related technology. Quantum computers know 4+4=8 at the moment.

    Maybe hybrid computer/human interface.
    Not excluded at all but due to the complexity of the human brain, heavy progress in biology has to be made first.
    It takes time, improvements between generations.


    Are computers outdating themselves in the long run?

    No. If we do get to a unbreakable limit, then we'll probably see multi-cpu motherboards until the quantum pc evolves enough .
    Reaching a maximum on the electronical/electrical part will be good: very good pc's and the attention can be set on new stuff like optical systems that need to be developed.

    Just some of my point of view by looking around today.
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    Harrisonburg, Va.
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    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    I was looking at the big picture.
    Maybe a hundred thousand years in the future, if we still exist.
    Computers are maybe 70 years old or so.
    They are still babies.
    Going to the moon was science fiction in H. G. Welles' day.
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    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Good point.

    I like the big picture as well.

    In the meantime,
    Maybe i7 will still be supported when Mars gets colonized, as an old CPU, who knows.
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    BELGIUM
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    WINDOWS 8.1 x64


    hi Hopachi,

    My impression was that Multi-CPU motherboards exist for some years now, but they do not provide faster processes.

    They are ok when many users are involved.

    I am talking for myself here: do not like to wait on my computer. Computer has to wait for me.

    So yes, more speed is what i want.

    Real Ram SSD's are faster, but expensive and a Personal Computer is hardly something one wants that expensive....

    I hope you are right about the MRam. I thought Samsung or Micron where working on that, but i might be wrong, i forgot.

    Jeff


    Yes David, computer development exploded since the start, but as i said, right now we have had the best op it with this technology.
    And yes, computers saw the light begin op the 1940's, so around 70 years.


    Jeff
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    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    I think software isn't keeping up with hardware.

    I regularly sit in front of my PC wondering why some process is taking so long.
    When I check my hardware monitors, I see that my PC is using basically no RAM (~12.5%) and no CPU cycles (~10%).
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    BELGIUM
    Posts : 503
    WINDOWS 8.1 x64


    Well Lehnerus,

    i have that too. CPU usage low and my Excel docu 97-2003 takes sometimes for minutes (really hate that), so converted this to

    Excel 2013, improvement, but not that much and sometimes this takes way too long also.

    But your solftware can only be as fast as your hardware lets it to be.

    Take any Software, install this on a fast computer and a slow one and you will see that the faster the computer (hardware) the

    faster the software on that computer.

    Jeff
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    Posts : 153
    Windows 8, Kali


    I was reading something about a new processor in popular science. I think it captured electrons and then used them to complete a bridge. A processor with one bridge would work as fast as a modern day consumer processor. Now imagine having hundreds of bridges in a row. You would have a Cray supercomputer in your lap. I also think the thermal output was very low. It just needs to be developed. It was pretty insane.
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    With any thread of technology, it seems to develop really fast and then evens out like a plateau. For example, the wheel and axel developed very rapidly from the bronze age to the classical era. And then it evened out and remained the same for the next 2 thousand years.

    The printing press is also another example. Gutenberg invented it and over the next couple centuries it developed into better and better designs. And then it plateaued off and remained the same. In fact, much lf today's printing technology hasn't changed much in the last few decades.

    Microchip technology, I believe, has reached its plateau. Sure, they'll continue to add more threads, but the speed limit has been reached. If there's going to be a higher speed limit, they'll have to come up with something new, like quantum computing. Unfortunately, because of the nature of quantum mechanics, technology just isn't quite there yet to make quantum computing viable at the moment. Sure, it looks great on paper. In fact, I once attended a seminar where the lecturer was a quantum computer scientist. He predicted that at the rate of development quantum computers should become common commercial products in 5 or so years. This was 10 years ago, and quantum computing has seen little advancement since.

    And no, the human brain would make a lousy computer. Despite what science fiction movies and tv shows have been saying for decades, the human brain cannot store gigabytes of data and if there's a way to turn it into a cpu it would run quite slow.
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