Are computers outdating themselves in the long run?

Hopachi,

i am already on Office 2013 X64 with mixed feelings.

Jimbo,

sometimes you loose me with your knowledge.....


Jeff

How is it? I've got it, haven't installed it nyet.
 

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Maybe home pcs aren't the future and we will see some new futuristic device soon? for example the smartphone is also a computer and they evolved very rapidly. (now it's kinda stuck) and maybe after it we will see some different devices other than the smartphone and so on ? :huh:
For example I've seen IBM is working on a computer that will try to think like a human

Ubuntu is making a handheld device that WILL be a full working computer as well as a phone. The original batch as been sold out, to be delivered in May 2014. You can use them as a handheld device no larger than an iPhone, but when you plug it into a Dock, it's a full computer with Monitor Keyboard and Mouse.


I see that as the fyucher of computing, Apple should have thought of it first. Since Ubuntu is not a publicly traded company, they are not quite sure of what chip is going to go into it, they are privately funded, so it is harder for them to develop it than Apple or MS could. But both of those companies have their heads in the sand right now. Apple hurting from the loss of Jobs, MS due to being bullheaded with their new OS's which nobody wants.
 

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Skynet

For example I've seen IBM is working on a computer that will try to think like a human

Visit just about any Internet forum to see how useful a computer that thinks like a human would be (exception: psychological experimentation).

Skynet anyone?
:doh:
 

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Ever read a couple of book by a guy named Robert Mason called "weapon/solo"? Made a moovie out of em in early 90's but it sucked, directed by Trek director Norberto Barba. At least it had William Sadler in it. But the books are great. These guys make a robot, teach it how to kill. It was 1 Million parallel processors. Kept the CPU in his chest, head was a camera and speech device.

Written as in the early 80's they were using it to kill Sandinistas in Nicaragua. But they ordered it to go on a search and destroy, kill targets of opportunity. So it went awol, and started killing Contras. Befriended a village of indios, they hid it. It develoepd feelings for them.

But the CIA sends a cleaner in, guy was a creep (played by Sadler in the moovie). He holds the village hostage to make Solo give himself up. So he kills the hell out of the guy, drowns him in a river then escapes.

In "Solo" story picks up from where he got away, he escaped to NY. He hides in the basement of a poor woman, befriends her, he learns how to interface with NYSE puters, and makes her rich. Between the 2 of them, they start a company and make a shitload of money. He makes reference to "The Outrageous Okona" where Whoopie is teaching Data about Humour. But Solo has developed real feelings, and morals. But the CIA is still looking for him.

So Solo sets up a wild goose chase, he has them chasing him all over the US- He is flying in a chopper over a guys field of pot, and the guy shoots him down. Pretty damn funny. The Robot Body can do all kinds of stuff, but while this chase is going on, Solo is replicatign his programming and sticking it into puters all over the US, and into satellites. He's got these nodes of memory all over. So he lets the CIA blow him up, but he has stuck himself into a huge mainframe owned by the woman he made rich, and nobody can find him ever again.

There is a side story about his "Brother" another robot called Nimrod, but that robot was tortured by his handlers. Solo shows Nimrod how to disengage the torture device, and he goes on a killing rampage and eventually both robots have to duke it out. It's cool. While the robots are duking it out, they get surrounded by CIA who blow them to bits - But Solo uploads Nimrod into the same superputer.

It ends with Both robot's consciousnesses in the mainframe and the decision that they can never make bodies for themselves - Not for a long time, until Humans can handle the idea of AI a little better.

Those books are what got me interested in computing, and in a smaller way, politics.
 

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For example I've seen IBM is working on a computer that will try to think like a human

Visit just about any Internet forum to see how useful a computer that thinks like a human would be (exception: psychological experimentation).

Skynet anyone?
:doh:

It's not always supposed to go that way.
For the moment, we can only draw conclusions from sci-fi stories.
The baseline is that the computer will surpass human intelligence and it's the smartest who will get the control it's a logical way, nothing to blame.

Human thinking will be hard to achieve, the machine will eventually choose it's own AI personality and evolve beyond the initial human thinking fase. The created will become creators...

Skynet is a good example of AI taking over; another one is for example Omnius of the thinking machines from the Dune Universe which was initially created by hybrid machine-humans:
Thinking machines (Dune) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Something similar happened in The Matrix: machines took over and humans were used for harnessing electrical power.

A lot of similar examples in Sci-Fi. :)
 

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It's not always supposed to go that way.
For the moment, we can only draw conclusions from sci-fi stories.
The baseline is that the computer will surpass human intelligence and it's the smartest who will get the control it's a logical way, nothing to blame.

Human thinking will be hard to achieve, the machine will eventually choose it's own AI personality and evolve beyond the initial human thinking fase. The created will become creators...

Skynet is a good example of AI taking over; another one is for example Omnius of the thinking machines from the Dune Universe which was initially created by hybrid machine-humans:
Thinking machines (Dune) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Something similar happened in The Matrix: machines took over and humans were used for harnessing electrical power.

A lot of similar examples in Sci-Fi. :)

Visit just about any Internet forum to see how useful a computer that thinks like a human would be (exception: psychological experimentation).

Skynet anyone?
:doh:

HAL 9000 :what:
 

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Recorded History

Visit just about any Internet forum to see how useful a computer that thinks like a human would be (exception: psychological experimentation).

Skynet anyone?
:doh:

It's not always supposed to go that way.
For the moment, we can only draw conclusions from sci-fi stories.

I disagree with this point.
We can draw our conclusions from 1000s of years of recorded history. :(

Closer to home, on this forum there is:
  • One camp that thinks W8 is the Antichrist
  • One camp that thinks W8 is the "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ

A lot of similar examples in Sci-Fi. :)

Indeed.


To be fair to HAL 9000, it was actually the humans that caused the problems (good old Government obsession with secrecy).

IIRC, it was programmed to tell the truth and additionally programmed to lie to (or at least conceal the truth from) the crew.
 

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HAL 9000, good example. I forgot about 2001... :eek:


It's not always supposed to go that way.
For the moment, we can only draw conclusions from sci-fi stories.

I disagree with this point.
We can draw our conclusions from 1000s of years of recorded history. :(

Closer to home, on this forum there is:
  • One camp that thinks W8 is the Antichrist
  • One camp that thinks W8 is the "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ

What am I missing here...

But I don't see how 1000 years of recorded history link with the Sci-Fi revolting machines.
(Unless the machines will have human thinking indeed)

Then, Win8 acceptance or rejection is something humans choose to do.
(So all conflicts between humans will carry on in machines)
 

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Well you would have to program one puter as a Democrat and another as a Tea Farter. Won't say repukican cos that party don't exist anymore.

So, you will have one puter that will do it's job, not lie, and not use faulty data to make opinions, and another that will.

"I have no mouth and I must scream" - By Harlan Ellison, that's the penultimate evil puter, programmed itself to hate hoomans.
 

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I have No Mouth and I must Scream

http://pub.psi.cc/ihnmaims.txt

I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream
by Harlan Ellison

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Limp, the body of Gorrister hung from the pink palette; unsupported hanging high above us in the computer chamber; and it did not shiver in the chill, oily breeze that blew eternally through the main cavern. The body hung head down, attached to the underside of the palette by the sole of its right foot. It had been drained of blood through a precise incision made from ear to ear under the lantern jaw. There was no blood on the reflective surface of the metal floor. When Gorrister joined our group and looked up at himself, it was already too late for us to realize that, once again, AM had duped us, had had its fun; it had been a diversion on the part of the machine. Three of us had vomited, turning away from one another in a reflex as ancient as the nausea that had produced it. Gorrister went white. It was almost as though he had seen a voodoo icon, and was afraid of the future. "Oh, God," he mumbled, and walked away. The three of us followed him after a time, and found him sitting with his back to one of the smaller chittering banks, his head in his hands. Ellen knelt down beside him and stroked his hair. He didn't move, but his voice came out of his covered face quite clearly. "Why doesn't it just do us in and get it over with? Christ, I don't know how much longer I can go on like this." It was our one hundred and ninth year in the computer. He was speaking for all of us.




Some hundreds of years may have passed. I don't know. AM has been having fun for some time, accelerating and retarding my time sense. I will say the word now. Now. It took me ten months to say now. I don't know. I think it has been some hundreds of years. He was furious. He wouldn't let me bury them. It didn't matter. There was no way to dig up the deckplates. He dried up the snow. He brought the night. He roared and sent locusts. It didn't do a thing; they stayed dead. I'd had him. He was furious. I had thought AM hated me before. I was wrong. It was not even a shadow of the hate he now slavered from every printed circuit. He made certain I would suffer eternally and could not do myself in. He left my mind intact. I can dream, I can wonder, I can lament. I remember all four of them. I wish- Well, it doesn't make any sense. I know I saved them, I know I saved them from what has happened to me, but still, I cannot forget killing them. Ellen's face. It isn't easy. Sometimes I want to, it doesn't matter. AM has altered me for his own peace of mind, I suppose. He doesn't want me to run at full speed into a computer bank and smash my skull. Or hold my breath till I faint. Or cut my throat on a rusted sheet of metal. There are reflective surfaces down here. I will describe myself as I see myself: I am a great soft jelly thing. Smoothly rounded, with no mouth, with pulsing white holes filled by fog where my eyes used to be. Rubbery appendages that were once my arms; bulks rounding down into legless humps of soft slippery matter. I leave a moist trail when I move. Blotches of diseased, evil gray come and go on my surface, as though light is being beamed from within. Outwardly: dumbly, I shamble about, a thing that could never have been known as human, a thing whose shape is so alien a travesty that humanity becomes more obscene for the vague resemblance. Inwardly: alone. Here. Living under the land, under the sea, in the belly of AM, whom we created because our time was badly spent and we must have known unconsciously that he could do it better. At least the four of them are safe at last. AM will be all the madder for that. It makes me a little happier. And yet ... AM has won, simply ... he has taken his revenge ...I have no mouth. And I must scream.
 

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I disagree with this point.
We can draw our conclusions from 1000s of years of recorded history. :(

Closer to home, on this forum there is:
  • One camp that thinks W8 is the Antichrist
  • One camp that thinks W8 is the "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ

What am I missing here...

But I don't see how 1000 years of recorded history link with the Sci-Fi revolting machines.
(Unless the machines will have human thinking indeed)

Exactly.

If computers are designed think like humans, then "We can draw our conclusions from 1000s of years of recorded history."

If they think like humans, they will probably have thoughts like:
  • I'm better than you
  • I deserve more than her
  • I should be in charge
  • etc.

Then, Windows 8 acceptance or rejection is something humans choose to do.
(So all conflicts between humans will carry on in machines)

Human choices are made using conscious or unconscious thought.
 

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    RAM & Graphics Card Upgraded - 2013-01-13
    Monitor Upgraded - 2012-04-20
    System Upgraded - 2011-05-21, 2010-07-14
    HDD Upgraded - 2010-08-11, 2011-08-24,
Isn't the beginning of all this AI and robot thinking with Isak Asimov's "I robot" book, where is the first mention of laws of robotics. I'd suggest to read that book first.
 

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well Mibaup,

i need my computer for work, so smartphone or tablet is out of the question.

Hopachi,

i changed to Office 2013 (after a trial version) because on can open several docu's in Excel in different windows, not possible in Excel 2010 (at least at the time).

Excel is the only thing slow here and i try to use Excel 2013, so no Excel 97-03 wherever i can

Jeff
 

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i changed to Office 2013 (after a trial version) because on can open several docu's in Excel in different windows, not possible in Excel 2010 (at least at the time).

Alright.
But that's no problem at all, at least here or now.

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You simply start a new Excel instance to open your second, third, fourth... document.
Multiple windows in Excel 2010
 

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    HP, Intel HM77 Express Chipset
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Isn't the beginning of all this AI and robot thinking with Isak Asimov's "I robot" book, where is the first mention of laws of robotics. I'd suggest to read that book first.

Did you see the will smith moovie? Even though it is not really based on the actual anthology "I, Robot" is is in fact based on a number of short stories written by Asimov right before his death. The Image of Sonny jumping out the window, is from an Illustration from a story about robots apparently running amok, because of a Mis-Interpretation of the 3 laws, after that, the "Zeroth" law had to be programmed in to keep it from happening again. Do a Wiki on The Zeroth Law.

But the side story, about Sonny dreaming, is from another short story about a robot that had dreams, who, in the dreams, dreamt itself as a Human starting a revolution. The Image of Sonny standing under the broken bridge is from that, it's when sonny draws that picture really fast while Calvin and Spooner look on.

They never should have called it "I, Robot" because none of those four original stories appear in it. But it was indeed, true to the Robot writings. Harlan Ellison wrote a script for a moovie based on those stories, it was OK, could even be made.

But the idea is, if we start tinkering with robotic brains, the 3 laws, now 4 laws, will have to be at the very root of each robot's OS.

But the thing I fear is that any AI that develops will do so without the gentle tutelage of human hands. It will most likely develop on it's own and it will have to develop it's own morality.
 

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    Recently lost my Windows 8 on my main PC, had to go back to Windows 7.
Then, Windows 8 acceptance or rejection is something humans choose to do.
(So all conflicts between humans will carry on in machines)
Human choices are made using conscious or unconscious thought.

I've been reading this thread. You touched on something here that I wanted to mention, I2000 > Consciousness. I don't think a man-made machine, computer, robot, android, or what have you will ever attain consciousness. I think we are biologically unique to that. I realize that animals and perhaps plants may have it also.

Is it just because "I think, therefore I am" philosophy that gives us consciousness, or is there more to it? > Such as our emotions (having influence on our decisions), or our "spiritual" side of being, if one believes that way just to name a few possibilities.

I think the closest we'll get is an android such as Ash in the movie Alien. Even at that tech components will have to get awful small, powerful, and quick to achieve it. Then there's the neurological side to the beast.

Consciousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Then, Windows 8 acceptance or rejection is something humans choose to do.
(So all conflicts between humans will carry on in machines)
Human choices are made using conscious or unconscious thought.

I've been reading this thread. You touched on something here that I wanted to mention, I2000 > Consciousness. I don't think a man-made machine, computer, robot, android, or what have you will ever attain consciousness. I think we are biologically unique to that. I realize that animals and perhaps plants may have it also.

Is it just because "I think, therefore I am" philosophy that gives us consciousness, or is there more to it? > Such as our emotions (having influence on our decisions), or our "spiritual" side of being, if one believes that way just to name a few possibilities.

Could we recognise "machine consciousness/thought" if we saw it?

Could we accept "machine consciousness/thought" if we saw it?

I'm sure there are certain groups who would never accept "machine thought" as reality.
 

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i changed to Office 2013 (after a trial version) because on can open several docu's in Excel in different windows, not possible in Excel 2010 (at least at the time).

Alright.
But that's no problem at all, at least here or now.

View attachment 26395

You simply start a new Excel instance to open your second, third, fourth... document.
Multiple windows in Excel 2010

Hopachi,

that is not what i meant. If i open 2 Excel docu they are right away in there own docu. In Office 2010 you have to open another new Excel docu (with the right mouse click) to open a new one, at least overhere). The computer right over me is still on Office 2010.

I need to open docu's that already exist and i prefer Office 2013 for that. Otherwise one has 2 docu's open in one window, which is a pain, because when i need to take a print, i must be carefull not to print the wrong docu.

Jeff
 

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    KINGSTON 2400 MHZ KHX24C11K4 16GB
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Could we recognise "machine consciousness/thought" if we saw it?

Could we accept "machine consciousness/thought" if we saw it?

I'm sure there are certain groups who would never accept "machine thought" as reality.

The same groups thats still think the world is flat, the apollo missions were faked, the government shoudl be changed into a CHURCH, and Sarah Palin or Mich-smell Bach-man should be president?
 

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    AMD 4400+/4200+
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    Asus M2N-MX SE Plus/Asus A8M2N-LA (NodusM)
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    2 GB/3GB
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    GeForce 8400 GS/GeForce 210
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    nVIDIA GT218 - High Definition Audio Controller
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    Hitachi 40" LCD HDTV
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    Cable Medium Speed
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    Chrome/IE 10
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    Eset NOD32 6.x/Win Defend
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    Recently lost my Windows 8 on my main PC, had to go back to Windows 7.
Could we recognise "machine consciousness/thought" if we saw it?

Could we accept "machine consciousness/thought" if we saw it?

I'm sure there are certain groups who would never accept "machine thought" as reality.

The same groups thats still think the world is flat, the apollo missions were faked, the government shoudl be changed into a CHURCH, and Sarah Palin or Mich-smell Bach-man should be president?

the scariest part is these groups are still breading !!!!!!!!
 

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