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Installation Experience / The Big Picture

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    Installation Experience / The Big Picture


    It's no secret here that I am a big fan of 8. I like it's fluid feel and Metro look. I've just fresh installed another edition of 8 the other night. I dual boot with 7 Ultimate. This is my 4th installation of 8 since early June -> Release Preview downloaded from the MS site and burned ISO to DVD. I used this edtion for the 90 day trial period -> Enterprise Evaluation twice, for I did not know MS would allow one to refresh the ninety-day trial period until ater the fact. I Downloaded the ISO from MSDN and burned to DVD. I used this edition for about 150 days -> And now Windows 8 Pro OEM System Builders edition I bought from an online store of which I'm now in the process of personalizing. The RP was 32 bit and the remaining were 64 bit editions. All installations went without a hitch using my experience and Brink's and/or other's tutorials before proceeding.

    It took all of 20 minutes to install this last one. Not bad time I'd say. Another 15 minutes installing 22 purchased MS Store (Modern) apps, which needs to be reinstalled upon each OS installation via "Your Apps" within the Store. It took approximately another hour to download and install 30 updates, Bing Desktop, and MS Arc mouse driver. I think the hour's time is acceptable considering it's a new OS.

    I feel I've been quite fortunate with installations and the stability of running 8 on this older Acer, especially with dual booting. I've read and continue to read the horror stories some have in doing so. I've had no driver problems, update problems, no BSODs, and no connection problems. Therefore in installing and running 8 for the past 7 months I find it to be a great experience. A little bit more of a learning curve, but once I learned the basics such as the 4 hot corners, using the Start Screen and All Apps, Charms Bars, advanced context menu, etc. it was and continues to be a great experience.

    I have a score of 3.4 on the Windows Experience Index assessesment due to the integrated graphics chipset. If I slide a decent graphics card in the box I would then get a 4.7 as highest, for that is the score on the Pentium D for this machine. My plans are to purchase a touch monitor to dual monitor along with my present one. A new graphics card would accomodate that setup. Overall it is a pretty quick machine. It's not a gaming rig for sure, but it has served me well.

    One other piece of info is that I use my MS account entailing my Live email acount and password to sign into my PC, which is new in 8. I've had a Live account since it's introduction. I configured this upon installation. I found this to be convenient for no matter what MS site I'm in I'm automatically signed in. Bing, MSDN, Technet, etc. The only site it asked me for a password is the online MS Store site. I would imagine this due to a security level. OK by me.

    Here's the "Big Picture" of the direction I think MS is going that I began to see with each installation and use of 8 since early June:

    #1 To create a slimmer and fluid touch-centric OS that works across multiple devices so as it is familiar to a user no matter what device. It also works well on a non-touch-centric device such as a desktop PC without a touch screen. Some have suggested a touch mouse or touch pad work well. Some are even experimenting with a Wii controller to navigate with. I have no problem using keyboard shortcuts along with my Arc mouse to navigate around. I get around in 8 better than I do in 7 at this point in time, in fact 7 is getting to be awkward to me now when in it.

    #2 To be more Cloud orientated so to make driver installation, settings personalization, favorites migration, MS Store apps installation, personal file migration to name some easier to perform, and to sync data across devices. e.g.:

    a) All my IE Favorites were migrated automatically from the last installation. Originally I migrated those manually within RP from my 7 partition or drive. They installed with every edition installation afterwards ready to use and in the familiar order I had in the last edition. I have approximately 25 folders named with categories. e.g. 8F folder with shortcuts to various threads. A folder of MS sites. etc.

    b) The 3 email accounts (both MS Live accounts and 1 non-MS account) were preconfigured in the Windows Mail app ready to go for me when I opened it for the first time after each installation. This included all my emails in all 3 accounts downloaded and ready. The only thing I had to do was fill in the password for 2 of the accounts so as to activate synch. The first was already activated for I signed into the PC with it.

    c) All my MS Store apps ready for me to download as I mentioned previously.

    d) Personal file migration. I haven't gotten to this yet, although I've had a certain amount of free storage via my Live account. SkyDrive looks convenient as all get up and go. Easier than Easy Transfer, which is not included with 8. I'll do some storage their, but no sensitive files.

    That's my experience so far. What's yours? Where do you think MS is headed with this OS 8?

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    UK
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    Win 8


    Up a blind alley!
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  3. #3


    BELGIUM
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    WINDOWS 8.1 x64


    hi H.G.

    "I get around in 8 better than I do in 7 at this point in time, in fact 7 is getting to be awkward to me now when in it."

    Yeah, i now the feeling.....never Win7 for me again.

    Jeff
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    Don't know what your motivation is in posting this thread -- but you'll most likely get two very different responses:
    1) Love it
    2) Hate it

    The pros and cons of Win8, and how people feel about those, have been beaten "to death" on this forum.

    Those of group 1) [like you] are going to praise MS for what it's done with Win8 and be convinced they are heading in the right direction -- toward spending MORE and MORE money on Store Apps and new hardware, and toward Cloud integration.

    Those of group 2) [like others] are going to criticise MS for what it's done with Win8 and be convinced that are heading in the WRONG direction -- toward forcing folks to spend money on Store Apps (to duplicate what they already have) and new hardware (which they shouldn't have to buy) and toward could integration -- which they don't use.

    So, other than hoping others will come by and give you a good feeling about the choice you made, I fail to see what this thread is going to add to an already controversial issue.
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    I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll live with it. Hate is too strong a word, it is what it is and I'll deal with it. Like it or not is a moot point, Microsoft is going where Microsoft wants to go. I do think they thumbed their noses at the enterprise and are going in the direction of placating the social media enamored general consumer. But hey, "increasing shareholder equity" is their charter and if Microsoft thinks this is what it takes, so be it.

    -jeff
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    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
    Don't know what your motivation is in posting this thread -- but you'll most likely get two very different responses:
    1) Love it
    2) Hate it

    The pros and cons of Win8, and how people feel about those, have been beaten "to death" on this forum.

    Those of group 1) [like you] are going to praise MS for what it's done with Win8 and be convinced they are heading in the right direction -- toward spending MORE and MORE money on Store Apps and new hardware, and toward Cloud integration.

    Those of group 2) [like others] are going to criticise MS for what it's done with Win8 and be convinced that are heading in the WRONG direction -- toward forcing folks to spend money on Store Apps (to duplicate what they already have) and new hardware (which they shouldn't have to buy) and toward could integration -- which they don't use.
    I have some difficulties to understand this.

    I have about 50 Store Apps installed and ready to go on my main rig. Total cost: €0.00, all are completely totally free. It is absolutely the same with Windows Store on 8 than with any other software on XP, Vista or Seven: There's a huge selection of free apps and games but if you want a certain commercial application, you have to pay for it regardless of your OS.

    I watch UK television with FilmOn, totally free on Store. It is an SD version which is enough for me, if I would like to get HD TV I have to pay the exactly same amount I would have to pay using FilmOn's browser based version on Seven, or Mac, or Linux. I use TeamViewer Remote App for our widely spread family's IT support, free. I have 8 games I like, all free and enough for me. If I want to get Angry Birds I have to pay, but again the exactly same price than I had to pay downloading it to XP.

    My tech news apps, all free. About 10 world and local news apps I use, free. I have wonderful informative apps for my whisky and wine interests, all free.

    Windows 8 does not make, require or demand you to spend more money. It is totally functional with not a single cent spent over the OS price itself.

    About the cloud: you can choose to use only local accounts on your Eight. Nothing is stored on cloud, no connection to you is made. One and only compromise you need to make using local account is that if you want to use those free apps from Store, you need a Microsoft account. When installing something from Store first time using a local account, the email is asked. But it's your choice: Using Eight without Store and Microsoft account is exactly as using XP or Mac or Seven. Install the software you'd like to install and forget the rest. Store is not obligatory.

    Same with hardware. I have an old outdated rig for test purposes which was on its upper limits with Seven. I installed 8 and it works as a dream. Faster, more reliable than ever. If I had continued to use it with Seven I believe I had needed a new motherboard and processor but thanks to Eight I can now use that money to something else.

    I understand criticism and opinions. I do not understand however that these completely made up false arguments are used as facts, as you do.

    Windows 8 needs no new hardware, you can easily run it on the same hardware you had your XP or Seven. Windows 8 does not require you to spend money on apps any more than all other operating systems do; in fact Eight can make your computing cheaper because there really is a huge amount of free apps and games a few clicks away on Windows Store.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
    So, other than hoping others will come by and give you a good feeling about the choice you made, I fail to see what this thread is going to add to an already controversial issue.
    I haven't seen you critisizing members who post "I don't like Eight" threads. Do you want to say that pro-Eight threads are useless and only anti-Eight posting should be allowed?

    OP made several valid points telling about his opinion and experience. Why shouldn't he, this is The Eight Forums.

    Kari
    Last edited by Kari; 03 Feb 2013 at 15:21.
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    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    1. One other piece of info is that I use my MS account entailing my Live email acount and password to sign into my PC, which is new in 8. I've had a Live account since it's introduction. I configured this upon installation. I found this to be convenient for no matter what MS site I'm in I'm automatically signed in. Bing, MSDN, Technet, etc. The only site it asked me for a password is the online MS Store site. I would imagine this due to a security level. OK by me.

    2. Here's the "Big Picture" of the direction I think MS is going that I began to see with each installation and use of 8 since early June:

    #1 To create a slimmer and fluid touch-centric OS that works across multiple devices so as it is familiar to a user no matter what device. It also works well on a non-touch-centric device such as a desktop PC without a touch screen. Some have suggested a touch mouse or touch pad work well. Some are even experimenting with a Wii controller to navigate with. I have no problem using keyboard shortcuts along with my Arc mouse to navigate around. I get around in 8 better than I do in 7 at this point in time, in fact 7 is getting to be awkward to me now when in it.

    3. #2 To be more Cloud orientated so to make driver installation, settings personalization, favorites migration, MS Store apps installation, personal file migration to name some easier to perform, and to sync data across devices. e.g.:

    a) All my IE Favorites were migrated automatically from the last installation. Originally I migrated those manually within RP from my 7 partition or drive. They installed with every edition installation afterwards ready to use and in the familiar order I had in the last edition. I have approximately 25 folders named with categories. e.g. 8F folder with shortcuts to various threads. A folder of MS sites. etc.

    b) The 3 email accounts (both MS Live accounts and 1 non-MS account) were preconfigured in the Windows Mail app ready to go for me when I opened it for the first time after each installation. This included all my emails in all 3 accounts downloaded and ready. The only thing I had to do was fill in the password for 2 of the accounts so as to activate synch. The first was already activated for I signed into the PC with it.

    c) All my MS Store apps ready for me to download as I mentioned previously.

    d) Personal file migration. I haven't gotten to this yet, although I've had a certain amount of free storage via my Live account. SkyDrive looks convenient as all get up and go. Easier than Easy Transfer, which is not included with 8. I'll do some storage their, but no sensitive files.

    4. That's my experience so far. What's yours? Where do you think MS is headed with this OS 8?
    My experience is very similar to yours to the point where I start your quote above--except that I do not share your enthusiasm about the metro interface. It is workable, but I don't think it is well thought out, efficient, well integrated with the desktop, has particularly desirable apps, etc. But, ragging about these things is not my focus here.

    1. I don't like using an MS account. I use a local account. We may do some of the same things online, but I prefer other approaches to doing them.

    2. Undoubtedly part of the "big picture."

    3. Also is part of the "big picture." I like some of the convenience of the cloud. But, much of what you point to as being appreciated is anathema to me. It's the same with Apple. Too much cloud. Beyond syncing and succumbing to some force when it comes to installation, I pretty much want to stay out from being under the thumb of anything ( i.e., being manipulated or controlled by anything).

    4. I think both MS and Apple are moving in the direction you think--with MS being more extreme at this point, although Apple started it. I will be staying as far from their thumbs as possible--as I am right now. I have spent my life staying out from under thumbs by making informed choices, etc. Not going to stop now for MS or Apple.
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    Windows 8.1, 10


    My installation experience was mixed... the first time I tried to install, it wouldn't run in-place, and (being XP) the option to "Install by creating media" didn't appear either so I couldn't burn an ISO. Microsoft support were helpful but didn't figure out the problem. Eventually I worked out that it was because this XP system had never been converted to NTFS and was still running on a FAT32 file system, and the installer tries to create a Hard Link ?or something like that? which can't be done on FAT.

    Once I got past that, I also had a lot of problems with drivers for my old laptop. Even one of the ones which Windows update had suggested would cause the machine to start BSOD-ing. I also gave up trying to make it run on 1GB (with shared video memory) and it's much happier with a memory upgrade.

    Overall, now it's going, I do like some of the features. I like Task Manager and File Explorer. I also like being able to use VHDs with Bitlocker to create an encrypted "drive". I have no problems with the Start Screen and quite like the search method to find apps (although I admit I've manually added a "Programs" folder to the toolbar which I use a lot, as searching via the Start Screen is slow on this old hardware). Backup is a step backwards compared to Windows XP though, which had a good backup program (with the slight disadvantage that the only bootable recovery disk it could create as on a 3.5in floppy!)

    But (as on the thread I posted) my main gripe is with the full-screen-only, non-multi-tasking Metro apps. The apps themselves aren't great; maybe they'll get better, and the full-screen approach is just unworkable in my view.

    The non-multi-tasking is slightly annoying; for instance why can't I listen to an internet radio station in IE10 and go do something else in another app at the same time? Obviously I can do this in Desktop IE10, but not Metro IE10, which is a bit silly. (It also reminds me of "DOS Shell" in later versions of MSDOS- anyone remember that?!)

    Generally this sort of stuff is fine on Windows 8 because you can use desktop apps and still be productive, but doesn't bode well if Microsoft see the Metro style as "the only way" in future.
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    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    The non-multi-tasking is slightly annoying; for instance why can't I listen to an internet radio station in IE10 and go do something else in another app at the same time? Obviously I can do this in Desktop IE10, but not Metro IE10, which is a bit silly. (It also reminds me of "DOS Shell" in later versions of MSDOS- anyone remember that?!)

    Generally this sort of stuff is fine on Windows 8 because you can use desktop apps and still be productive, but doesn't bode well if Microsoft see the Metro style as "the only way" in future.
    If your radio station is using a flash based web radio app, it is true it will not work on IE10 Start App. This issue is however not Microsoft's / Windows' fault, and I believe it will be fixed when Adobe gets Flash Player to work on IE10 Start App as it should.

    However, there's nothing preventing you from listening your web radio on IE10 desktop version and using an Start App at the same time. Here's my favorite web radio station from my native Finland playing on desktop IE10 on the left while browsing Windows Store on the right:

    Click image for larger version

    Windows 8 is quite flexible. Here's a web radio Start App called TuneIn (Store > Entertainment) on the left playing WKBU Radio from New Orleans while I am browsing Facebook using Start App Facebook+ Lite (Store > Social) on the left:

    Click image for larger version

    The same Facebook stream on the right, Windows 8 desktop "ready to serve" on the left:

    Click image for larger version

    Writing this post on the left while watching Live UK TV on the right with Start App FilmOn (Store > Entertainment):

    Click image for larger version

    I see no problems here.

    Kari
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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    The non-multi-tasking is slightly annoying; for instance why can't I listen to an internet radio station in IE10 and go do something else in another app at the same time? Obviously I can do this in Desktop IE10, but not Metro IE10, which is a bit silly. (It also reminds me of "DOS Shell" in later versions of MSDOS- anyone remember that?!)
    This is deliberate, and is largely due to phone and tablet scenarios where users don't tend to shut down apps, they just open new ones. Apps can suck up a lot of bandwidth, for instance, if they're left running in the background. And apps can be killed when resources get below a certain level.

    Windows does provide a means to do background processing, but an app has to be written to support it. The idea is that if you're going to listen to a radio station, you'll use a radio app that supports background audio playback.
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