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Is Start Menu really matter?

  1. #81


    Posts : 2
    Windows 7


    Why do people that like Windows 8 feel the need to attack those that don't? I see it all over! Sometimes it's subtle, sometimes it's direct vile insults. If you don't like Windows 8, you're stupid, don't know what you're doing, or you're a dinosaur and have to get with the program and should like it. The original poster says "just use the search function!", "you only don't like it missing because it's some sense of security!". Aren't people students of history and understand what that type of behavior and attitude means at all?


    For me, I find the Start Menu very useful. I have around(over?) 4,000 items in my Start Menu. It's very organized and when I want to find something, there it is, I find it in less than a few seconds. You tell me I should just search for it, but I say why? I have everything organized that I can find in just a few seconds. I have it how *I* need it. If you don't know how someone could have so many items in their Start Menu, then we obviously do our jobs and live our lives very differently, correct? It seems to me people, like those in this thread, want me to be just like them and live my life and get a job just like them... well, that would make me very miserable! I love my life and the way I live it.


    I was looking into getting Windows 8, but I decided against it. There are many reasons why, the Start Menu is just one of them. Just as with any piece of software or computer hardware, I will buy what I need and find useful for my daily life and work. If windows 8 is not useful to me, does not add value to my daily life and how I need and want to use my computer, then why should I "get with the program and just like it" as those that like Windws 8 say. People value their own opinions too greatly to feel the need to attack, insult others, and try to push the way they do things onto others.


    Is the Start Menu needed? Does it really matter? Yes, it does matter. Know why? Because it matters to *me*. *I* am not *you*. In the end, what I need on my computer is what matters, because it's my life. Microsoft, those that like Windows 8, none of them will ever have any control over what I do in my life. I find the Start Menu very useful, and I will continue to use it as I have used it. Those that do like Windows 8, that's great. It's great to have something you like to use, isn't it? Now if Microsoft gave us a choice to make the computer personal again, and gave a choice to the individual on how they want to use their computer, wouldn't that be just as wonderful?

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  2. #82


    I too have been saddened (but not surprised) by the tone of some contributors to this post that feel that anyone who likes things they don't like must be an "idiot" -- or worse.

    I've been doing Computer Systems Engineering professionally for more decades than I care to mention, but what thing I have learned over the years is that "newer" is not necessarily "better" -- newer is really only "different". IF those differences are things you like, then newer = better (for YOU). If those difference are things you don't like, then newer = worse (for YOU).

    Unlike McButterpants, I don't have lots of items in my Start menu ... but I use it anyway. Why? Because I have become accustomed to working that way and (most important) LIKE working that way.

    I have a smartphone and like the UI on it. I would not like a "newer" version of the UI that forced me to use a stylus to select really tiny little icons -- the way you would click on items on a desktop using a mouse.

    I also have a desktop and like the UI on it (on Win8, I use the "desktop" UI). I do not like the "newer" version of the UI that expects me to reach over and touch big buttons on the screen .. the way I select items on my smartphone using my finger.

    All this debate about which is better is useless -- we should all just call a halt to it.
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  3. #83


    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    Yeah the excuse of "use search" is so amusingly backwards and basically proves the point of the naysayers.

    The fact is, Windows 7 has and has always had the /exact/ same search functionality, go ahead, try it now! Hit the windows key and start typing the name of a program.

    No one on Windows 7 even knows it's there, why? Because you don't need it!!! Now here we have Windows 8 and suddenly you HAVE to use the search ("Just use the search!" "Just use the search!" "Just use the search!") because the start menu is so horrible the way it fails at arranging things in a usable way. Nice...
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  4. #84


    Posts : 99
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64


    I don't need to search in 8 either. It's just faster to get to the program I want, just like in 7. Honestly, everything that I've done on the desktop before, I do on the desktop now. File Explorer leads me to every single folder I need to go (just like in 7). In fact, you can basically create a little start menu right in there. Just add whatever folder you want to favorites. Every program that I use often is on my start screen, neatly arranged and quickly accessed. The only reason I need to go to All Apps is to add programs to the screen if I need to.

    The Metro apps in 8 are simply an addition. They're there if you want to use them and some of them are downright convenient. The sports app is better and more convenient than getting the info through my browser. Other apps are similar in use. If you dislike switching to the Metro music app for mp3s, switch it to Media Player or whatever you usually use. You simply have more options than before. Nothing forces you to use the Metro apps.

    I do admit, that when going to the All Apps screen in Metro, it seems messier than searching through the start menu in 7. Hopefully there's a better way to arrange that in the future.
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  5. #85


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    That's one thing that I don't like about the Windows 8 Modern interface, it's seems to have become much more of a keyboard based OS than Windows 7. I use the mouse a lot on my desktop and the Modern interface is not as mouse friendly/functional as Windows 7. There's another thing that I find quite bizzare and that's the fact that IE in the Modern interface has no 'Favorites' selection. If you want to see your favourite sites and other tools, you have to go to the desktop. What's the sense in that?
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  6. #86


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    There's another thing that I find quite bizzare and that's the fact that IE in the Modern interface has no 'Favorites' selection. If you want to see your favourite sites and other tools, you have to go to the desktop. What's the sense in that?
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  7. #87


    Posts : 99
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    That's one thing that I don't like about the Windows 8 Modern interface, it's seems to have become much more of a keyboard based OS than Windows 7. I use the mouse a lot on my desktop and the Modern interface is not as mouse friendly/functional as Windows 7. There's another thing that I find quite bizzare and that's the fact that IE in the Modern interface has no 'Favorites' selection. If you want to see your favourite sites and other tools, you have to go to the desktop. What's the sense in that?
    Go to Metro IE and click on the address bar. Your favorites pop up on the right. As for "keyboard based", I still mainly use my mouse and get along just as well as I did in 7. That's why I don't really understand the, "8 is great for touch screens but horrible for a mouse" mentality. The mouse works just fine.
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  8. #88


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    Yeah the excuse of "use search" is so amusingly backwards and basically proves the point of the naysayers.

    The fact is, Windows 7 has and has always had the /exact/ same search functionality, go ahead, try it now! Hit the win (dows key and start typing the name of a program.

    No one on Windows 7 even knows it's there, why? Because you don't need it!!! Now here we have Windows 8 and suddenly you HAVE to use the search ("Just use the search!" "Just use the search!" "Just use the search!") because the start menu is so horrible the way it fails at arranging things in a usable way. Nice...
    If inaccurate statements continue to be made, corrections will be made.
    On the start screen, winkey is not needed to search. The start screen is not a menu (unless one considers it to be a menu). The start screen can be viewed as a menu but is more like a place to launch desktop icons.

    One should know that the apps area is where programs are arranged. I know your view is that the apps area is bogus, but I disagree.

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  9. #89


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Ok, I tried that and all I get are links from one folder and none of the others that I have in the desktop version. There's no hierarchical order to the links, it's just flat. Also, it's very hard to select a link, as all that shows is an endless line of blue squares with the site name at the bottom of each square (far too much wasted space). The drop down box method in the traditional desktop is far more effective and efficient.

    My point about the less mouse-friendly nature of Windows 8 is because it now requires more use of keyboard to find things. You can't just click on the Control Panel icon and get the control panel etc, you need to type in Control Panel and find your selection, and then you go to the desktop where the mouse suddenly becomes useful again.
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  10. #90


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    You can't just click on the Control Panel icon and get the control panel etc, you need to type in Control Panel and find your selection, and then you go to the desktop where the mouse suddenly becomes useful again.
    Or you could just right-click on the bottom left of the desktop, and a menu
    pops up with a whole lot of useful stuff, including Control Panel.
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