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Will 'normal' Windows users want a Start button for Windows 8?

  1. #41


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    nice try - but how do you actually set this up. --when you install the CS suite you get the tiles as shown in your 2nd screen shot -- so I have to mess around with a lot of fiddling around to group the tiles into some sort of folder.

    Most people won't want to do this especially as previous versions of Windows worked just fine (with the start menu).

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #42


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    nice try - but how do you actually set this up
    Hello Jimbo. This requires no set up at all. It is done automatically by the Operating System just as happens with the start menu. I said nothing about the Start Screen. The Start Screen is the same thing as a place for desktop icons. You can pin or unpin what you need or don't need from the Start Screen. Groups are automatically created, organized, sorted and labeled in all apps.

    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...html?highlight

    From the Start Screen - right click and press enter
    Program Groups in all apps are reduced to blocks using the zoom feature.

    bottom right corner of screen in apps area

    Click image for larger version

    or press control and roll your scroll wheel
    Last edited by mdmd; 20 Oct 2012 at 14:43.
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  3. #43


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    Thanks Brink


    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    If you can't do in 8 exactly what you did in Vista or 7, maybe you shouldn't HAVE a computer....
    • Go to "Personalize".
    • Change the following:
      • Font type
      • Icon Size
      • Icon Spacing

    Well, it's not quite the same, but hopefully this will help some with that for now.


    Thanks for those links.

    I was aware of the font size and screen multiplier settings.
    I suspected that you could "hack" the Registry to adjust other appearance settings.

    Can you still "hack" the Registry to change the default font (options 2 and 3 in this tutorial)?
    Fonts - Change - Windows 7 Forums

    When I reinstalled my operating systems (in September) I repartitioned my HDD and now my W8 VHD won't run, so I can't check.
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  4. #44


    The thing that has always confused me is their removal of the start menu and their solution being the start screen. It just doesn't make sense. They are treating the desktop as an app I don't know why you can't do all your searching and get to the various things I would usually click on the start menu all accessible in the desktop mode. Also the removal isn't the most puzzling but it's how they haven't made things easier by removing it. I get that they don't want there to me two "Starts" but it would be good if they still had a menu maybe they start button could offer more functions be called something else as the icon is annoying and awkward. Maybe something else plus start is the start menu or some menu. The worse part is the side by side app. I wish there was a 50% but the weird thing is when you put something beside the desktop on the left side you still have to touch the corner of the screen to access things or the hidden menu. That just doesn't feel right. Also I don't get why can't they come up with a real solution for the desktop. I just think they didn't really think how it would effect desktop users. First we are forced to go through the start menu with no option to load into the desktop without ever having to be in the metro screen(which to me is not meant for desktop users at all) but on top of that no matter what you do, you always have to go back to the start screen. Closing the computer without shortcuts are just awkward with the hovering. This might work on a tablet or something touch based but on a desktop I would barely use touch. I like how they have been better at marketing and such but the overall user-experience is something they should really work on for the 9th installment or for an update. I will use the final version in stores to test out but using the version I have on a desktop is not the best experience.
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  5. #45


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    all apps area

    Click image for larger version Click image for larger version


    This is how it works for me.

    • Frequently used: 44 Desktop icons. These occupy approx 17% of desktop. And include shortcuts to eSATA HDs, USB ext HDs & thumb drives, Storage partition on main HD, Optical Drives & general apps, and XP Virtual.
    • Less frequently used: Start menu jump list.
    • Seldom used: Start menu.

    This is an example using: DVDVideoSoft Studio Manager which has 47 sub-menu items.

    I've got all 47 of these sub-menu items in Start Menu as icons, (equals to the tiles in Metro), in a condensed form that takes up a fraction of the space, and accessible without leaving desktop. Why would I want to leave the desktop to find them in Metro for the sake of a larger view, and more difficult to access?


    1. Sub-Menu of Studio Manager .

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    2. Desktop with Studio Manager sub-menu open in Start Menu.

    Start Menu occupies approx 12% of desktop.

    Click image for larger version


    3. Desk top with multiple windodws & Start Menu open.

    Click image for larger version


    4. If multiple winodows obscure desktop shortcuts, Desktop toolbar shows all shortcuts.

    Click image for larger version

    Everything can be done without ever having to leave the desktop or lose view of any files/folders ...

    And in the minimum space and quickest access
    .

    Desktop simultaneously shows access to
    :

    1. Start Menu
    2. Jump list
    3. Desktop icons (via Desktop toolbar if needed)
    4. Multiple open windows (including iNet browser, XP Virtual, Spreadsheet)


    ALL IN ONE NEAT PACKAGE!
    Last edited by Mustang; 21 Oct 2012 at 11:05.
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  6. #46


    Anyone else looked at this one:
    https://www.pokki.com/

    A bit of a new approach to the start menu. There is not a lot of customisation opportunities, but it does offer a couple of differences
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  7. #47


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    ^ But when i started playing with Windows 8, they didn't have that little video, I didn't really know much about the Charms bar and I didn't find the power off option from the Charms pc settings. I actually found it by logging out from the Start Screen, and then hitting the power button on the logon screen in the lower corner. These hidden menus are not terribly intuitive and having to use hot corners isn't all that appealing for all of us.

    And I don't care if Coke Robot thinks it's wicked awesome to flip over to a full screen view of his start tiles to pick an application. All of the delight in the world on his part, doesn't mean I want to experience the same thing. I'm not saying the Start Screen is unusable, but I'm saying that I don't really want to use it.

    Without a doubt, here in the US where I live, the majority of cars are automatics. People love to drive them and they are easy to use. But one of my cars happens to be a manual and I absolutely love it. I also happen to own a station wagon too, even though they aren't terribly popular. And I don't torrent movies and tv shows. ---My point being, we are all different and we work different and we have different inclinations.
    sorry for the late response, BUT liking to drive a care with manual gear is nice if your automatic car has only 3-4 speeds.

    I live in Europe and ONLY drive automatic and will never ever change this again.

    Do not see the point or advantage of driving manual at all.

    But this is about Win8 and I totally agree with Coke Robot. And above this he who says that there is no difference with Win7......PLEASE.......

    Jeff
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  8. #48


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    nice try - but how do you actually set this up
    Hello Jimbo. This requires no set up at all. It is done automatically by the Operating System just as happens with the start menu. I said nothing about the Start Screen. The Start Screen is the same thing as a place for desktop icons. You can pin or unpin what you need or don't need from the Start Screen. Groups are automatically created, organized, sorted and labeled in all apps.

    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...html?highlight

    From the Start Screen - right click and press enter
    Program Groups in all apps are reduced to blocks using the zoom feature.

    bottom right corner of screen in apps area

    Click image for larger version

    or press control and roll your scroll wheel

    Hi there


    If I do this I just get a reduced view of ALL the tiles -- I don't want to see any but the top level one. screen shot enc.

    This is even WORSE and more confusing than the original layout.

    I just want to see the TOP level block for example "Most Used" and then have the option expand THAT BLOCK ONLY.

    If I finally get into the Apps area then It will show me a top level tile with an APP in it for example here I have a stock exchange application called HQUOTE -- just a simple application without many sub options.

    but if I click on this then I get a screen full of other stuff as well -- not what I want.

    I've enclosed the screenshots.

    Some of this can be managed on simple screens but IMO this is still a total "Dogs Dinner" of how to properly organise your workspaces for a lot of people where the standard tile functionality isn't really fit for purpose and there's nothing "Dynosaural" or change resisting emotions here. W7 menu is really in a lot of cases MUCH EASIER, quicker and convenient to work with than this half baked Mobile phone system.


    (Using W8 enterprise X-64).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Last edited by jimbo45; 21 Oct 2012 at 07:26.
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  9. #49


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    Hello Jimbo. I don't work for Microsoft. Just showing what they have. Basically, I think they have removed nesting to make it easier for touch. You could say touch has no place on a traditional pc, and that is a fair statement. But that is not the OS model. 8 is a schizophrenic hybrid phone desktop OS. What else can I say. Thanks
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  10. #50


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    ALL IN ONE NEAT PACKAGE!
    Hello Mustang. DVDVideosoft is a very nice program. Just downloaded it. The latest version has it's own UI and menu system...only requires 1 tile on the start screen.

    Click image for larger version

    Click image for larger version

    Quite a post! Well done.
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