Microsoft's Windows 8 approach: Bold, arrogant, or both?

I believe Microsoft’s motives were sincere, but their decision was mistaken

Ed Bott has always shown a very balanced view of the Microsoft products. This article is an excellent summary of the Windows 8 problems and the challenges ahead.

Microsoft’s role as the kingpin of computing is long gone and some already consider it irrelevant or obsolete. Windows 8 and its ecosystem have all the ingredients to change that perception and make the next generation of computing devices very interesting. But even with flawless execution there’s no guarantee of success.

Microsoft's Windows 8 approach: Bold, arrogant, or both? | ZDNet
 
But you can do everything you want on your traditional desktop interface, as people have been doing for years; you don't need Windows 8 or the MPI. Microsoft's intent is that you do buy a Windows Phone, you buy a Windows tablet you buy Windows 8 and kneel before the MPI.

Oh boy this is the most absurd thing I've heard in a while....

So I guess Windows xp and 7 tablets were just such hot sellers?
There is probably some truth to what the man says. Part of the MS strategy must be to sell their new gear. It would be unnatural if that was not their intent. And there is nothing wrong with that.
 

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I say both, one could argue. Honestly, Microsoft already has a pretty good OS with Windows 7 (pretty good, not great) that has sold in record numbers in such a short time span that will be supported until 2020-2022 about there; on the desktop form factor. That's the big thing there, because Windows 7 as much as it was designed for touch (notice the large window control buttons, the larger Taskbar, and a few other touch UI improvements over vista) didn't take hold really at all on the current generation of tablet PCs. It's kind of like how Bill Gates said that Windows Mobile wasn't taken to certain places before ios did, such as an app store or multimedia marketplace among other things. Windows 7 doesn't cut it for the tablet or even touch form factor that well. Windows 7 is already solidified pretty well on the desktop and laptop.

Now enter Windows 8, designed for "new" PCs, new PCs meaning tablet PCs since the Windows tablet has been around for a good decade but never came to being known until 8. Windows 8 has the things needed for a proper touch and tablet experience while at the same time keeping the things Windows 7 improved upon. This one here is the gamble as it's kindling a new PC form factor of the tablet as well as propelling touch on other traditional form factors. Microsoft has the will to do that and the ability to do so rather safely as people who really H8 Windows 8 can just buy Windows 7, no loss to them basically. People that love Windows 8 stay on 8. If they have it installed on an existing PC, that's a gain to them but loss to the modern PC market. If someone buys a new Windows 8 tablet PC, they may give up their old laptop or desktop for the tablet. Or they may even buy Windows 8 to install over on their existing PC, but prefer the touch aspect of the tablet.

Windows 8 is also essentially wrapping the old into the new. Windows 7 didn't work as a tablet OS because it is an old UI paradigm, a start menu doesn't work very nicely with a finger. Windows 8 took the Desktop and changed the start menu to a Start Screen, old evolved to new. That's the main point with 8, it's taking the existing Windows of the '90s to Windows of the post-early 21st century.

So it's a gamble, it's bold, possibly arrogant, but there is a strategy regardless of analyst's PC apocalypse predictions (some are really idiotic as a PC isn't regarded as a desktop anymore, it can be a laptop, tablet or desktop, something certain analysts don't understand) about Microsoft. If it'll pay off is yet to be seen, as it takes a few years before a new UI/OS is proven. Windows Phone for example here, some naysayers cry about how the metro UI of it isn't attractive to consumers. Yet, in less than six months, Windows Phone 8 got to a marketshare that took Windows Phone 7 about a year or so more. It has doubled in usage in the US, and is outselling the iphone in the top six emerging countries that shouldn't be overlooked. It is the most used platform in China, an up and coming economy that would be dreadful to miss out on. Time is what it takes.
 

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Oh boy this is the most absurd thing I've heard in a while....

So I guess Windows xp and 7 tablets were just such hot sellers?
There is probably some truth to what the man says. Part of the MS strategy must be to sell their new gear. It would be unnatural if that was not their intent. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I'm not disagreeing with that aspect, I'm disagreeing with the fact that a Desktop ONLY tablet OS already failed. No OEM really built 7 tablet PCs, no one really wanted a tablet PC with 7 as pretty much no one knew of one.
 

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some are really idiotic as a PC isn't regarded as a desktop anymore, it can be a laptop, tablet or desktop, something certain analysts don't understand

They do understand.

You could put trucks, cars and bicyles together and call them the personal transport market.

What use is that?

Although it is true that some use bicycles instead of car - it is not what BMW gives a great deal of consideration to when making a new car.

Conversely, BMW might see there are huge numbers of bicycle buyers - and perhaps decide to make bikes as well.
 

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These quotes are all ass backward.

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problemquote2.jpg
 

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some are really idiotic as a PC isn't regarded as a desktop anymore, it can be a laptop, tablet or desktop, something certain analysts don't understand

They do understand.

You could put trucks, cars and bicyles together and call them the personal transport market.

What use is that?

Although it is true that some use bicycles instead of car - it is not what BMW gives a great deal of consideration to when making a new car.

Conversely, BMW might see there are huge numbers of bicycle buyers - and perhaps decide to make bikes as well.

Do you get it now?
 

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    PC/Desktop
Microsoft already has a pretty good OS with Windows 7 (pretty good, not great) that has sold in record numbers in such a short time span

Coke, a 'great' OS is one that sells. And Windows 7 did sell at a rapid pace. Looking at the inventory build up of Windows 8 I doubt that it will ever sell very well - at least for the PC. And on mobile they are up against Android. They will certainly make some inroads but I doubt that they can get a significant market share - maybe their association with Nokia can help. Nokia was very popular in Europe and Asia before the demise of Symbian.
 

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These quotes are all ass backward.

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Yeah right. This forum editor is all mucked up anyhow. I wish they would put the editor of the sevenforums on here. At least that one works.

Try to edit a post here where you have 2 or 3 links in the post. It is a nightmare. I made it a habit now to answer only with very simple postings. Since I always have a lot of typos, I need to be able to easily and quickly correct my postings.
 

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I am wondering if anyone goes to advanced and preview their post or just post a quick reply without checking it first. The quote sources can be rearranged manually.
 

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Do you get it now?

You are talking about the definition of what a PC is.
That's where there is a conflict. A Personal Computer is more than a production device.
 

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    16GB Crucial Ballistix
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    intel embedded gpu
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    AOC / Westinghouse
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By all means not to be condescending, but I think the forum editing works fine. One has to be careful with placement of the beginning
(numbers also if applicable) and ending [\QUOTE]. At least that's what I've found.

On the other hand, I'm not a member of 7F, so I wouldn't know if that editor is better.
 

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I believe Microsoft’s motives were sincere, but their decision was mistaken

Ed Bott has always shown a very balanced view of the Microsoft products. This article is an excellent summary of the Windows 8 problems and the challenges ahead.

Microsoft’s role as the kingpin of computing is long gone and some already consider it irrelevant or obsolete. Windows 8 and its ecosystem have all the ingredients to change that perception and make the next generation of computing devices very interesting. But even with flawless execution there’s no guarantee of success.

Microsoft's Windows 8 approach: Bold, arrogant, or both? | ZDNet

I think Ed Bott is my favourite ZDnet guy, he at least TRIES to find some good in the stuff he is ripping to shreds - He was merciless with Vista, hahaha. He is more gentle with Windows 8.
 

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Do you get it now?

You are talking about the definition of what a PC is.
That's where there is a conflict. A Personal Computer is more than a production device.

What IS it then? - I use it to maintain my finances, I use to to write my Blog articles, I use it to maintain my websites, I use it to compose and arrange my MUSIC. I use it even to fix other computers that are failing. Everything I do is on three machines and my iPhone and they are all interconnected - I do something on my computer and it goes to my phone, I change it on my phone and it gets saved on my computer - from 500 miles away. If MS releases an OS where I cannot have access to that productivity, then it is worthless. And up to now, the Productivity of the PC has always been on the Desktop.
 

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    Recently lost my Windows 8 on my main PC, had to go back to Windows 7.
What IS it then?

It is a production device, but not just a production device. It is a media center. It is a communications tool. It is a calculation device. It is a library. It is a portal to the internet. It is a networking marvel. It is an entertainment center. It is a means to earn a living. It is a gaming machine. It is a television. It is a hobby....
 

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This is a screenshot of a Windows 8 desktop.

desk8a.jpg

This is also a screenshot of a Windows 8 desktop.

desk8.jpg

... both productive desktops in Windows 8 ...
 

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    intel embedded gpu
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    Sound Blaster Z
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    AOC / Westinghouse
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    1920x1080
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A laptop/desktop is not the same as a small tablet/phone.

It is possible some may not need a laptop/desktop and can get by with a phone.

Just like some can get by with a bicycle and don't buy a car.

However, a car and a bicycle are not the same thing.

Do you get it now?

You are talking about the definition of what a PC is.
That's where there is a conflict. A Personal Computer is more than a production device.
 

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By all means not to be condescending, but I think the forum editing works fine. One has to be careful with placement of the beginning
(numbers also if applicable) and ending [\QUOTE]. At least that's what I've found.

On the other hand, I'm not a member of 7F, so I wouldn't know if that editor is better.
Tony, believe me. Compared to the sevenforums it is a pain. I could list at least 10 deficiencies here that do not occur there.
 

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A laptop/desktop is not the same as a small tablet/phone.

Technically speaking, tablets and phones are computers.
 

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    Intel i7 QuadCore 3770k
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    Asrock Extreme 4
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    16GB Crucial Ballistix
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    intel embedded gpu
    Sound Card
    Sound Blaster Z
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    AOC / Westinghouse
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    1920x1080
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    Plextor pcie msata
    PSU
    Rosewill Silent Night 500W Fanless / PicoPSU
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    open bench - no case enclosure
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    Silverstone HEO2 Passive Silent
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    logitech washable K310
    Mouse
    logitech wired
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    ie / maxthon
    Other Info
    Totally silent. No fans at all.
Yeah right. This forum editor is all mucked up anyhow. I wish they would put the editor of the sevenforums on here. At least that one works.

Try to edit a post here where you have 2 or 3 links in the post. It is a nightmare. I made it a habit now to answer only with very simple postings. Since I always have a lot of typos, I need to be able to easily and quickly correct my postings.

Sadly we use the newer vbulletin 4 here and we cant use the vb3 editor, we were hoping that there would be an editor update and fix in the next vbulletin version but they have left it out, until vbulletin pull their finger out there isn't much we can do.
 

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