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1) I don't agree with driving everything from the desktop.
You lost me there. Driving everything from the desktop is IMO, old fashioned.
What is old fashioned about that. I have a normal desktop with a keyboard, mouse and no touchscreen like another Billion Windows users. Why would I want to have a tablet UI on my system.
 

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Why would I want to have a tablet UI on my system.

Well, IMO, for me it's a preference.
I like to have all my links and shortcuts on a separate page (so to speak).
It's seems more efficient to me to keep the desktop clear of icons, launching tools and taskbar clutter.
 

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Why would I want to have a tablet UI on my system.

Well, IMO, for me it's a preference.
I like to have all my links and shortcuts on a separate page (so to speak).
It's seems more efficient to me to keep the desktop clear of icons, launching tools and taskbar clutter.
I am with you on a clean desktop. That's why I use a toolbar. Toolbars - How to Use in Windows 7 and Vista - Windows 7 Help Forums

Works also in Windows 8. No need for that tablet start screen.
 

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What is old fashioned about that.

It is, again, IMO, due to the history of Windows,
which has had about the same basic UI for the past 17 years since the release of Windows 95.
 

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What is old fashioned about that.

It is, again, IMO, due to the history of Windows,
which has had about the same basic UI for the past 17 years since the release of Windows 95.

If it ain't broke don't fix it and M$ went and tried to fix it. How many years has a car had a steering wheel.
 

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How many years has a car had a steering wheel.

Even steering wheels have evolved from wood to metal to fiberglass/plastic to rubber covered, padded wheels etc...

Five operating system alternatives to Windows 8 and XP.

1) Ipads don't have any cutting edge processing power.
2) Apple Macs are too proprietary.
3) Linux uses a different file system and is not user friendly. Too geeky.
4) Chrome is Linux.
5) Windows 7 is aging rapidly.
 

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Well thought out. I still disagree on several points.

...you should have the Option of driving everything from the desktop interface, and not leaving it.
...it is not the preferred way of driving a workstation.

1) I don't agree with driving everything from the desktop.
You lost me there. Driving everything from the desktop is IMO, old fashioned.

Then simply click on TileWorld from Start on the charms bar. Nothing i'm suggesting is going to make it go away. What i'm saying is if you have a small mobile device(Windows Phone, Surface Mini), you should be using TileWorld. If you have a larger device like a SP, desktop/workstation, you should have the ability to either drive everything from the Desktop or drive it from TileWorld, that choice is completely up to you. Your stance seems to be that everybody should be running from TileWorld. The two interfaces should be independent of the other and not crossover from one to the other and back again. Its the crossover that drives people nuts.

2) I don't agree with windowing immersive applications or running them on the desktop.
Multi tasking can be achieved without concurrent windows.

But why would you want to reinvent the wheel? And if immersiveness is your thing, all that functionality would still there. Charms -> Start -> Have A Party. Now you can use your desktop computer like a mobile device. Good for you. Stop trying to force other people into that same experience.

3) Don't agree that WinRT and Win32 will retain equal status as code evolves.

The only way they wouldn't is if Microsoft removed Win32 entirely, which isn't going to happen. You have a misconception of how code works. They're all just API's.

...If I doubleclick Angry Birds...

There's no reason to have or allow seemingly frivolous games on a commercial workstation.

So now you're going to ban entire games from running on computers? What after that, burning E-books? What further laundry list of stuff are you going to say can't run on systems. We're already at the Desktop, Games you consider frivolous, what else? And for the record I used Angry Birds as an example because it is one of the most well known Apps out there, not because I've ever run it, which I haven't.

This isn't the 90's, man. The "public" has plenty of options beyond Windows 8, including Windows 7. So don't think you can shove something down the public's throat and say 'swallow'.

So you're saying the "public" will go with Apple, Linux or Windows 7 because of a start screen.

Once again, not saying the start screen goes away. Think of them as the Mobile Interface and the Desktop Interface. Both should be accessible, and both should be able to drive both Apps and Applications in their respective ways without dealing with the other. Its awful to the point of ludicrous to have cross-interfacing.

I never run my main applications full screen, why do I want my Apps each taking up the whole screen and hiding everything on a large monitor?

We'll have to agree to disagree with personal preferences.
I prefer immersion.

And my method would give you everything you want. But it would also give those people who don't prefer immersion what they want, something you can't seem to be able to tolerate. You, like Microsoft, want everything done Your Way.
 

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How many years has a car had a steering wheel.

Even steering wheels have evolved from wood to metal to fiberglass/plastic to rubber covered, padded wheels etc...

Five operating system alternatives to Windows 8 and XP.

1) Ipads don't have any cutting edge processing power.
2) Apple Macs are too proprietary.
3) Linux uses a different file system and is not user friendly. Too geeky.
4) Chrome is Linux.
5) Windows 7 is aging rapidly.

At the rate Windows 8 is going Windows 7 will out last Windows 8. Heck even XP may out last Windows 8. As far as Linux file system they are far more efficient than NTFS and faster. As #1 and #2 I agree with you but it is still a choice for the average consumer.
 

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Your stance seems to be that everybody should be running from TileWorld.

Yes.

Its the crossover that drives people nuts.

Odd behavior to get affected that way.

Charms -> Start -> Have A Party. Now you can use your desktop computer like a mobile device. Good for you. Stop trying to force other people into that same experience.

I think I can safely say that having used 8 since pre release, I have never used Charms -> Start.

You have a misconception of how code works.

No misconception. I was a programmer in assembly, pascal, C, COBOL, RPG, BASIC etc...
Code technologies have changed and will continue to change.

Its awful to the point of ludicrous to have cross-interfacing.

Disagree.

And my method would give you everything you want. But it would also give those people who don't prefer immersion what they want, something you can't seem to be able to tolerate. You, like Microsoft, want everything done Your Way.

Not really. People are never completely satisfied.
 

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At the rate Windows 8 is going Windows 7 will out last Windows 8. Heck even XP may out last Windows 8.

Windows 8 will become 9, then 10, 11 ...
Windows 7 may be in a museum by then.
 

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At the rate Windows 8 is going Windows 7 will out last Windows 8. Heck even XP may out last Windows 8.

Windows 8 will become 9, then 10, 11 ...
Windows 7 may be in a museum by then.

Or Microsoft. In a museum that is. You can read all about it on your Apple Devices.

You can only ever sell what people want to buy, and right now thats not Windows 8, and there is no absolutely no confusion outside of Redmond or yourself as to why. Right now Microsoft is in the OUR WAY psychology of Ballmer.. not just on this, but with the XBOX, and the 'you need continual internet to run a game' crap, and they will keep getting their teeth kicked in by consumers.
 

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At the rate Windows 8 is going Windows 7 will out last Windows 8. Heck even XP may out last Windows 8.

Windows 8 will become 9, then 10, 11 ...
Windows 7 may be in a museum by then.

At the rate sales of PC and Windows 8 is dropping the PC with M$ will be in a Museum soon.

PCs hit by an ugly quarterly drop as Windows 8 flops | Business Tech - CNET News

Hi there
Well W7 might be in the museum before THIS version -- still working -- Windows release 1. !!!!

Cheers
jimbo
 

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Windows 8 will become 9, then 10, 11 ...
Windows 7 may be in a museum by then.

At the rate sales of PC and Windows 8 is dropping the PC with M$ will be in a Museum soon.

PCs hit by an ugly quarterly drop as Windows 8 flops | Business Tech - CNET News

Hi there
Well W7 might be in the museum before THIS version -- still working -- Windows release 1. !!!!

Cheers
jimbo

Can you get it to play a DVD. LOL
 

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Windows 8 will become 9, then 10, 11 ...
Windows 7 may be in a museum by then.

At the rate sales of PC and Windows 8 is dropping the PC with M$ will be in a Museum soon.

PCs hit by an ugly quarterly drop as Windows 8 flops | Business Tech - CNET News

Hi there
Well W7 might be in the museum before THIS version -- still working -- Windows release 1. !!!!

Cheers
jimbo

Why not?

My 3.1 install still runs just fine, and with Office 4.3, is reasonably 'productive' as well.

It can still easily do 'real' work. As can my NT4 install.

OSes don't just curl up and die on the say-so of MS or the whims of an increasingly gullible
and PC-illiterate public.

Wenda.
 

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Hi pparks1,

Come on is it really that hard of a choice. XP is dead, and the next progression is Win 7. If I was running a business it would be obvious that Win 8 is not really for any business regardless of it size. The jump from XP to 7 really isn't going to be that big of a deal when it comes to training. In fact both are in reality close to each other as far as Menu, Desktop, File Explorer, and 7 offers some really good security along with great stability. So if you cannot find your way to use 7 then go with one of the free Linux Distros, and the great and wonderful freeware available in the wild. . .

You missed my point. As a software vendor, we have to ensure our software works on all supported versions of Windows. And Microsoft still officially supports XP. This also means we have to keep machines and vms around to test and try to duplicate what customers report. So, the more and more OS versions and releases come out, the more this becomes bigger and bigger and tasks more time, resources, etc.
No, did understand what you were getting at; been there. Back in 1992 the company I worked for at the time decided to make the jump from a closed Wang system to Windows server, and Windows 3.11 along with Microsoft Office along with access. It took us almost a year to rewrite (and another to get all the buds out) all the software (mail, data bases, etc.) that would be required to run a 2.1 billion dollar a year business which moved over 15,000,000 bills of freight a year. So, I am glad it is you and not me who has to do it, enjoy. . .:thumbsup:
 

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This another repeat of a lot of useless discussions.

Some say Windows 8 is the future - others say Windows 8 sucks.

I suggest we wait and see what the future brings - the present sucks.
 

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At the rate sales of PC and Windows 8 is dropping the PC with M$ will be in a Museum soon.

PCs hit by an ugly quarterly drop as Windows 8 flops | Business Tech - CNET News

Hi there
Well W7 might be in the museum before THIS version -- still working -- Windows release 1. !!!!

Cheers
jimbo

Why not?

My 3.1 install still runs just fine, and with Office 4.3, is reasonably 'productive' as well.

It can still easily do 'real' work. As can my NT4 install.

OSes don't just curl up and die on the say-so of MS or the whims of an increasingly gullible
and PC-illiterate public.

Wenda.

Now that screenshot of 3.1 brings back memories :> File Manager, I miss you! <3
 

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At the rate sales of PC and Windows 8 is dropping the PC with M$ will be in a Museum soon.

PCs hit by an ugly quarterly drop as Windows 8 flops | Business Tech - CNET News

Hi there
Well W7 might be in the museum before THIS version -- still working -- Windows release 1. !!!!

Cheers
jimbo

Can you get it to play a DVD. LOL

Hi there
Even HDD's were not very common and hugely expensive. Even had you managed to get some sort of DVD hardware at the time the Video cards and screens available wouldn't have been able to play any sort of video -- so unfortunately the answer is NO to video on Windows release 1.

Windows 3.11 might be a different proposition -- certainly in a VM -- haven't got the time to mess around with it but I'm sure SOMEONE on the forum will try it.

WFW (Word for Windows) and EXCEL still run perfectly OK on Windows 3.11 BTW.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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