I've come to a realization . . . .

Well, that's somewhat unlikely, I think car manufacturers are required to keep stock of parts for 10 years, and it's likely a third party will supply the for at least a decade after that.. but eventually, yeah.

It's an urban myth that car manufacturers are required to keep parts in stock for 10 years. They have to be able to supply parts during the warranty period but they can get them from third party vendors.
 

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I don't know of any school that allows in-class computers to randomly surf facebook and youtube. They typically firewall the heck out those PC's, and only allow the installed software.

The school where I teach my classes is a high school and you can get to YouTube, Facebook, Skype and all those other distracting sites.
 

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So many people today think of computers only as a means to an end -- the thing they use to DO something. If they use a computer to watch a movie, it's not about the computer-- it's about the movie. If they use it to play a game, it's about the game. No matter what they do, it's NEVER about the computer. They don't think of "computers" as a subject, or as a thing to learn about or to know about.

Sure, you can use a computer without knowing what goes on inside it. And you can drive a car without understanding its internals too. But at least everybody knows that there IS such a thing as learning how a car works, and that there ARE auto mechanics and manufacturers, and that there would be no cars without them, and that it's a subject that you CAN study and make good use of the knowledge. With a computer, some people seem to think that it's just a thing that works by itself, and that nobody knows how it works, or needs to. That's what MAGIC is, but that's not what technology is.
 

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I got a new car in November. What a disaster. It has 2 screens with a gezillion settings plus about 50 switches on the dash. The manual is 520 pages - even the manual for just the radio is 120 pages. And I don't even have a navigation system. For that I use my tablet.

The manual for my 1979 BMW was about 100 pages and explained things like how to adjust the brakes.

Not long ago I was renting a new Nissan and the manual was like yours, the size of a phone book. I had that car for two weeks and never did figure out how everything worked.
 

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So many people today think of computers only as a means to an end -- the thing they use to DO something. If they use a computer to watch a movie, it's not about the computer-- it's about the movie. If they use it to play a game, it's about the game. No matter what they do, it's NEVER about the computer. They don't think of "computers" as a subject, or as a thing to learn about or to know about.

Sure, you can use a computer without knowing what goes on inside it. And you can drive a car without understanding its internals too. But at least everybody knows that there IS such a thing as learning how a car works, and that there ARE auto mechanics and manufacturers, and that there would be no cars without them, and that it's a subject that you CAN study and make good use of the knowledge. With a computer, some people seem to think that it's just a thing that works by itself, and that nobody knows how it works, or needs to. That's what MAGIC is, but that's not what technology is.

Right on point Dragon Drop. It's not necessary for anyone to know the workings of a computer or how to repair it. If they buy it to have fun on and have the money to take it to a shop when it's broke. That's what a computer is all about to most people.
It would be terrible if everyone needed to know how things work and repair them before being allowed to purchase them. Phones, TVs, Wii's, laundry machines, cars.

-CokeRobot mentioned paralleled parking. If people have a hard time with that, they should try it with a semi truck & armstrong steering. By the time I got a tractor with power steering I was good at it. Power steering messed me up for awhile until I quit oversteering.
 

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It's not necessary for anyone to know the workings of a computer or how to repair it.

In that case, "those people" shouldn't complain about malware getting onto their computers.
 

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"I fear the day when thetechnology overlaps with our humanity. The world will only have a generation ofidiots."

Albert Einstein

 

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It's not necessary for anyone to know the workings of a computer or how to repair it.

In that case, "those people" shouldn't complain about malware getting onto their computers.

around here most don't ,they just go to local computer repair guy and pay 25-50 $ to have windows reinstalled
 

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We call that the ignorance tax.
 

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Imagine how you'd feel if you booted 8 for the first time and it was identical to 7... is that what you really want?

I also like having the clutch on the left, brake in the middle and gas on the right. If I got into a car and those three things were in different places, I wouldn't like that at all. I guess I am an old fogey.

One of the things that you learn as you age is that change for the sake of change is rarely a good thing and that evolution is usually better than revolution. New isn't always better. VHS wasn't really better than Beta. HDMI isn't the bestest thing ever. The disc camera was not better than the Instamatic.

Then I guess you won't like automatically driven cars.
Standards are the devil.
They make you "expect" something.
It just makes your mind dull.
If everything was different, user manuals would make a difference.
People would actually probably learn to use google properly.
And most of all, they would learn to conform to technology, instead of needing it to conform to them.
 

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The sideways scrolling takes about 10 seconds max to get use to. I'm not sure why people have so much difficulty with such simple tasks.

It's quite hilarious.
 

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The sideways scrolling takes about 10 seconds max to get use to. I'm not sure why people have so much difficulty with such simple tasks.

It's quite hilarious.

No one has difficulty with the scrolling, many simply don't like it; however, some do have difficulty understanding that it's not everyone's cup of tea. That's quite sad.
 

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Imagine how you'd feel if you booted 8 for the first time and it was identical to 7... is that what you really want?

I also like having the clutch on the left, brake in the middle and gas on the right. If I got into a car and those three things were in different places, I wouldn't like that at all. I guess I am an old fogey.

One of the things that you learn as you age is that change for the sake of change is rarely a good thing and that evolution is usually better than revolution. New isn't always better. VHS wasn't really better than Beta. HDMI isn't the bestest thing ever. The disc camera was not better than the Instamatic.

Then I guess you won't like automatically driven cars.
Standards are the devil.
They make you "expect" something.
It just makes your mind dull.
If everything was different, user manuals would make a difference.
People would actually probably learn to use google properly.
And most of all, they would learn to conform to technology, instead of needing it to conform to them.


Hi there

(@BarnbasSackett -- the position of those pedals will depend on which country you drive in -- unless you subscribe to the theory you pay your road / fuel tax to use THE WHOLE ROAD road not just ONE HALF of it). :cry:


if you've ever been to Paris you will appreciate Metro line 14 which is 100% automatic -- and one of the busiest line 1 is being converted for automatic working too.

The French are prone to striking at the drop of a hat so having these automatic lines relatively "Strike proof" is a welcome relief to anybody relying on the Metro to get them around. The trains are 100% automatic -- not a driver in sight and NOBODY has any problem whatsoever about using these.


The British have a similar system on the Docklands Light Railway in the East of London - although apparently to "re-assure" passengers there is a "Train conductor" on board -- but there's no drivers.


I do though hate the gradual removal in Supermarkets of "Human Checkouts" being replaced by those impersonal scanning machines -- half the fun in a Supermarket is a bit of banter with the assistants which they like too. For some people this is the ONLY personal contact they get during the week - the rest of the time they are speaking to "Virtual friends" on facebook etc.


So automation is a two edged sword - yes it has its place but like most technology we should be careful where it's going.

Can you imagine say a Roman Catholic church providing a "Virtual Mass" or a Mosque doing the same thing. (Actually one of the most pleasant experiences I have had - and I'm not religious in any way - was going into an old UK Cathedral in Salisbury and listening to Choral Evensong -- these are the best FREE classical concerts to be had anywhere -- not only was the choir absolutely first class but you got that experience you simply couldn't get by listening at home no matter how good your equipment).

I was there during a BBC recording -- it was FIRST CLASS

BBC Radio 3 - Choral Evensong, Salisbury Cathedral

So let's keep "Hi tech" in its place -- use where appropriate but don't let it RULE US.

Anyway back to the point

If you don't like scrolling -- simply press from the desktop the Windows Key + X and a little popup appears - now you can press search and get your program without doing ANY scrolling at all.

W8 does have some problems -- the whole METRO idea is rubbish for desktop type users who need a load of concurrent windows and are using two or more monitors - but in general the complaints against W8 are GROSSLY overdone and with a little bit of fiddling around you can make it look and work almost exactly like W7 -- and don't kid yourselves about the old menu either -- these could get very large too and difficult to navigate.


Enc shot of the Windows + X menu popup.

cheers
jimbo
 

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The sideways scrolling takes about 10 seconds max to get use to. I'm not sure why people have so much difficulty with such simple tasks.

It's quite hilarious.

No one has difficulty with the scrolling, many simply don't like it; however, some do have difficulty understanding that it's not everyone's cup of tea. That's quite sad.

The OP said he had issues with it. I just can't understand how it's 'not someone's cup of tea'. It's scrolling. You just use a mouse wheel and scroll. Whether it's left and right or up and down, what's the matter?

"Oh no my screen is moving left to right! I must tell everyone how disjointed the Windows 8 experience is!"
 

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The sideways scrolling takes about 10 seconds max to get use to. I'm not sure why people have so much difficulty with such simple tasks.

It's quite hilarious.

No one has difficulty with the scrolling, many simply don't like it; however, some do have difficulty understanding that it's not everyone's cup of tea. That's quite sad.

The OP said he had issues with it. I just can't understand how it's 'not someone's cup of tea'. It's scrolling. You just use a mouse wheel and scroll. Whether it's left and right or up and down, what's the matter?

"Oh no my screen is moving left to right! I must tell everyone how disjointed the Windows 8 experience is!"

Right on, Ruwanwij! :thumb: It does get quite trivial at times, doesn't it?

Welcome to Eight Forums, BTW. :)
 

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