Did we all just witness Windows start to die?

The idea of "the death of the PC" is just that -- it's an idea. It's a hook that, if you believe in it (and I do), it can be quite informative about what seems to be happening to the PC industry, and the wider computer industry in which it sits.
But most people do not like the complexity that comes with power and flexibility. Some people just want to give their parents a box that lets them have a video call with the grandkids from time-to-time, and don't want to have to futz around configuring anti-virus software.
The reason why people buy smartphones and tablets isn't because they are necessary better or more worthy than PCs. People buy them because they now have the option to -- i.e. they can.
Go back five years and there was no choice. That last example of grandparents Skyping the grandkids -- that would have needed a PC. Now it can be done with a free-on-contract smartphone. Or an iPad, a Nexus 7, Kindle Fire, etc.
Surface RT was, by design, a good enough post-PC device implementation to compete with iPad and Android in that post-PC market. It ticked enough boxes to make a good showing -- certainly more boxes than Old Windows did.
But we know that Surface RT, and Windows RT has failed in terms of numbers.
More importantly, Surface RT also failed in terms of philosophy, taking the whole of the Windows 8 Project with it. The principle of the project -- namely that the post-PC was getting it wrong and that people were desperately after a "PC Plus" -- has now been shown to be flawed.
Microsoft has to stop selling Windows as a competitor to the iPad, and start selling Windows Phone as a competition to iPhone and iPad, and also as competition to Android smartphones and tablets.
Or to put it another way, if you're looking to compete in a market of oranges, maybe go out there with oranges, rather than try and convince people that they actually want lemons.
Did we all just witness Windows start to die? | ZDNet
 
There's already a NIX OS that is a single distro and well supported called OSX and yet it's only managed some 7% market share in 12 year's of existence (surpassing Linux market share BTW). Even with all the Windows 8 "issues" people are not jumping ship, they are either staying on their current version or upgrading to 8. If they decide to jump ship it won't be to Linux, your average consumer is going to want a supported OS they are not going to go to forums looking for help.

The Linux dream lives on.
 

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The Linux dream lives on.
Yes, it certainly does. It runs Apache on the majority of web servers, it runs significant installs of mySQL databases for forums, it's responsible for the majority of BIND servers running DNS across the world wide web, it's the OS running Sendmail, the most popular and heavily used MTA's out there, and it's the core OS for a myriad of storage devices, standalone appliance servers and the root of hypervisors like vmware, etc.
 

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There's already a NIX OS that is a single distro and well supported called OSX and yet it's only managed some 7% market share in 12 year's of existence (surpassing Linux market share BTW). Even with all the Windows 8 "issues" people are not jumping ship, they are either staying on their current version or upgrading to 8. If they decide to jump ship it won't be to Linux, your average consumer is going to want a supported OS they are not going to go to forums looking for help.

The Linux dream lives on.

Never heard of NIX, so am downloading now to give it a try. . .Thanks. . .:thumbsup:
 

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The Linux dream lives on.
Yes, it certainly does. It runs Apache on the majority of web servers, it runs significant installs of mySQL databases for forums, it's responsible for the majority of BIND servers running DNS across the world wide web, it's the OS running Sendmail, the most popular and heavily used MTA's out there, and it's the core OS for a myriad of storage devices, standalone appliance servers and the root of hypervisors like vmware, etc.

Yea, that's exactly what your average consumer would use Linux for, we've been clearly talking desktop in this thread.
 

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Hi there
There's a HUGE difference in using SERVERS especially in an enterprise setting and normal HOME desktop users -- I'll bet there are even quite a few on THIS very forum who don't know what BIND or DNS servers are etc etc.

Most people want a system that works STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX or if they have to install something then it should ideally be a "1-click" install. Nobody is going to want (as a home user) to have to "Load kernel modules" or start compiling stuff or run elaborate C-Shell scripts to get applications running.

Linux isn't going to cut it for the main desktop unless it's something like ANDROID on a tablet - (or Apple's OS). Apple has problems in that it's too restrictive and Android is about as leaky as a sieve with no real desktop applications available for it yet --works fine on a mobile phone but a Desktop ?????.

There really isn't ANY sensible competition for Windows yet -- that doesn't mean to say that ANDROID couldn't become so in the future -- the Chrome book was a decent idea but basing it entirely on Web services was a step too far for it ever to become a mainstream player.

Apache is probably the one type of server system that a Home user might be using or have some knowledge about but the rest of the stuff ???.

"Deam on" as a previous poster quoted.

I've found my own solution -- I'm running Windows to Go on an external SSD with XP and W7 as VM's running on it -- response time of the VM's is actually pretty reasonable even if the SSD is connected to a USB2 slot -- on a USB 3 slot performance is very reasonable indeed - the Windows to go system is actually FASTER than the HOST system which was on a slowish spinner !!!.

I can keep the W7 and XP VM's running for as long as I need whatever the future direction of Windows - and the Windows to Go being VL (Volume license as it's based on W8 Enterprise) won't trouble me with activations when used on different computers.

Cheers
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Its my opinion (note the word 'opinion') that the reason PC sales are suffering is because of Windows 8. Sure, tablet purchases are high, but the PC is still a very necessary piece of hardware, and is not going to go away, at least not within the next 20 years or so.

You can't run a business and have productive employees with only tablets or smartphones; it just isn't going to happen. Name one tablet with the power to run something like AutoCAD (for architects) or Solidworks (3d design)? It doesn't exist.

If Windows 8.2 or 8.3, or maybe even 9 or 10 is designed more for desktops rather than tablets and has the same ease of use as Win 7, PC sales will come back. And so would the sales of Windows. Corporate America is avoiding Win 8; that's why sales of Win 8 (and PC's) are suffering.

hey, not to be a jerk but United Airlines stole the employee owned airline, stripped us of pesion, retirement, they bought Continental Airlines, threw away their custom made OS...I was squeezed out because I was one of the 2 International Government badged employees, fired the day after Christmas...Emloyees, Passengers, FAA, DOT, TSA...etc...there is big trouble in Shangrila...all because of CEO greed of Glenn Tilton...the company the word knew...got so dirty no one will touch it. I dunno about you but, Boeing is here in the USA...They train the mechanics...now...its the work is being done in places like the Phillipines.

Anyway, IE11 doesn't let you do anything but tabs on the desktop...I liked open windows...is there a trick I can use?

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I swapped my customised Ubuntu theme into Linux Mint MATE 14 and it worked without any problems.


Yep, that portability a good thing, especially if you got accustomed to the older themes and you have own custom versions from other OSes. :thumb:
 

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There's already a NIX OS that is a single distro and well supported called OSX and yet it's only managed some 7% market share in 12 year's of existence

One of the funniest things I have heard in a while, thanks. Quite bizarre. In the unlikely event somebody else hadn't noticed, Apple have chosen to operate only in a particular sector.
 

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The Linux dream lives on.
Yes, it certainly does. It runs Apache on the majority of web servers, it runs significant installs of mySQL databases for forums, it's responsible for the majority of BIND servers running DNS across the world wide web, it's the OS running Sendmail, the most popular and heavily used MTA's out there, and it's the core OS for a myriad of storage devices, standalone appliance servers and the root of hypervisors like vmware, etc.

Yea, that's exactly what your average consumer would use Linux for, we've been clearly talking desktop in this thread.

I know, I understand. it just seems people try to make Linux into something that it's not. As being discussed, for many reasons, it's not really ideal on the desktop. But just because it doesn't live and excel on the desktop, doesn't make it bad in any way.
 

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Most people want a system that works STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX or if they have to install something then it should ideally be a "1-click" install. Nobody is going to want (as a home user) to have to "Load kernel modules" or start compiling stuff or run elaborate C-Shell scripts to get applications running.
Agreed. Too much hardware is made for Windows and OSX and that's it. No drivers, no support. Even as a Linux guy, it's rare that I have to load kernel modules manually and I don't hardly ever compile my own software anymore. Most of that stuff has improved dramatically.

There really isn't ANY sensible competition for Windows yet -- that doesn't mean to say that ANDROID couldn't become so in the future -- the Chrome book was a decent idea but basing it entirely on Web services was a step too far for it ever to become a mainstream player.
Agreed that there isn't a decent alternative, except for Apple and OSX. The Chromebook was never intended to be a personal computer, it's a web surfing device. Works great for that.

"Deam on" as a previous poster quoted.
I still maintain Linux isn't a dream. It works great. You gotta use it in the right location. Unfortunately, for consumer grade hardware, the vendors don't care and don't have a reason to make drivers available. Unless you are really savvy, not suitable for the desktop. < That fact doesn't bother me one bit.

I can keep the W7 and XP VM's running for as long as I need whatever the future direction of Windows - and the Windows to Go being VL (Volume license as it's based on W8 Enterprise) won't trouble me with activations when used on different computers.
There isn't a volume license key anymore for Windows. It's either KMS or MAK. The MAK key allows multiple activations, but it's certainly not unlimited.
 

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Most people want a system that works STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX or if they have to install something then it should ideally be a "1-click" install. Nobody is going to want (as a home user) to have to "Load kernel modules" or start compiling stuff or run elaborate C-Shell scripts to get applications running.

I am running Ubuntu 13.04. Everything works straight out of the box. Home users do not have to do any mucking around. Only geeks who want to add extra context menu items, etc will need to delve a bit. You also need to do that to for the same kind of things in Windows.


There really isn't ANY sensible competition for Windows yet

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I am running Ubuntu 13.04. Everything works straight out of the box. Home users do not have to do any mucking around. Only geeks who want to add extra context menu items, etc will need to delve a bit. You also need to do that to for the same kind of things in Windows.
But what works on your hardware straight out of the box, might not work at all without lots of mucking around for the next person.
 

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There are quite a few on 7 forums running ubuntu13 /mint15. Theirs all work staright out of the box as far as I know.

I suppose there might be some oem machines which require special drivers - they need those for windows as well. It is possible in a few cases they aren't available for ubuntu.

If oem machines shipped with ubuntu pre installed, obviously they would have any oem specific drivers, and would work staright out of the box as well.

I don't get where all this busines about linux being difficult comes from . My gran can use it without the slightest difficulty. We are talking about consumer market, and Ubuntu /mint current derivatives are ideal for average consumers.

It is different if you are using server versions, or some weird esoteric distro. That is not what I am talking about.
 

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Anyway, IE11 doesn't let you do anything but tabs on the desktop...I liked open windows...is there a trick I can use?

Adam

Right click any link and open in new window or hit ALT on your keyboard to bring up the top menu and under File select New Window.
 

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Open Link in a New Window

Hold the "Shift Key + Left Click" on the link to open it in a new window.

Hold the "Ctrl Key + Left Click" on the link to open it in a new tab.

These combos works in FF and IE (unless MS "improved" IE11 by getting rid of them).
 

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