I have yet to meet anyone in person who actually likes it

$599 is the entry point for a Mac. That isn't that bad.

i agree .cost was never a factor ,my first used computer cost me $750.00,i386,win 3.1 1 meg ram and 40 meg hdd ,my first new one was $2100.00, p166 ,16 meg ram .win95, 2 gig hdd ., so whats price got to do with buying a MAC ,its all about bootleg Games and music .lol

And pirating software and then gloating about it will get you a swift ban around here. Stealing isn't cool.

I certainly was not gloating ,just stating fact as to why i think most people buy windows computer or mac's ,
 

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Where did you find that.

Looks like over $1,360 to me - and you probably need to buy other things to go with it.

Apple (United Kingdom) - Why You

If Microsoft wants people's money, they need to give people what they want.

OK. That's fair enough.

There isn't much choice for many people. Most can't afford a mac, even if they want one. They have to get a machine with windows on it.

That is why MS will sell about 320m pc's in a 12 month period. It doesn't matter what the o/s is like. They will sell that many by default.

$599 is the entry point for a Mac. That isn't that bad.
 

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Agreed

Windows 8 has (to my knowledge) incorporated one of the best little tools ever into the start screen, i.e Microsoft Officelabs Speed Launch. If you EVER used speed launch, you would know what I'm talking about. Hit WIN-C and start typing for an app or shortcut or url to launch. No navigating through tons of menus, and trying to position a mouse cursor accurately.
Just gets the job done.
Click start button start typing program name it appears in top left of start menu hit enter it opens. No leaving the desktop no purple jumble.

Agreed.
It was introduced in Vista (using the Start Menu search box).
 

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When I hear comments like this, it puts visions in my head of someone pressing the start button and going "Oh yeah, baby, that's the stuff".

:roflmao:
 

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See that's what I hate about the Start page, it's a jumble. I understand why for a touch screen mobile device like a phone or 10" tablet, but on a desktop a cascading menu using the hover event or pseudo class to initiate the cascade is much better.

That's why we have 3rd-party addons like Start8. With that I use my machine as a "Win7 Plus" machine. I'm at the desktop most of the time and can fiddle around with "Modern" if and when I feel like doing so. In actual practice this thing ain't any harder to use than 7 was. I think we all (myself included) have made a huge deal over this when in actual use it's really not much of a problem. Mine was fixed with a $5 add on. Add to that the $14 I spent for the upgrade to Win8 Pro ... everything working now. Had brief return to 7 but problems worked out now it's fine.

-Max
 

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$599 is the entry point for a Mac. That isn't that bad.

i agree .cost was never a factor ,my first used computer cost me $750.00,i386,win 3.1 1 meg ram and 40 meg hdd ,my first new one was $2100.00, p166 ,16 meg ram .win95, 2 gig hdd ., so whats price got to do with buying a MAC ,its all about bootleg Games and music .lol

And pirating software and then gloating about it will get you a swift ban around here. Stealing isn't cool.

PParks,

I absolutely concur with this. Piracy seems to be an acceptable behavior in many circles. One guy I work with here actually asked me "You mean you really PAY for your music?". Damned right I do. I pay for everything I use. I'm even one of the six people that's paid for WinZIP (PKZIP before that!).

When everything is paid for you sleep very well at night.

-Max
 

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PParks,

I absolutely concur with this. Piracy seems to be an acceptable behavior in many circles. One guy I work with here actually asked me "You mean you really PAY for your music?". Damned right I do. I pay for everything I use. I'm even one of the six people that's paid for WinZIP (PKZIP before that!).

When everything is paid for you sleep very well at night.

-Max
I agree with this. For some reason, some people think that if somethings easy to steal, then it's OK to steal. Especially when it comes to things in the form of a very large, well-organized set of binary digits that you can't see.
 

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See that's what I hate about the Start page, it's a jumble. I understand why for a touch screen mobile device like a phone or 10" tablet, but on a desktop a cascading menu using the hover event or pseudo class to initiate the cascade is much better.

That's why we have 3rd-party addons like Start8. With that I use my machine as a "Win7 Plus" machine. I'm at the desktop most of the time and can fiddle around with "Modern" if and when I feel like doing so. In actual practice this thing ain't any harder to use than 7 was. I think we all (myself included) have made a huge deal over this when in actual use it's really not much of a problem. Mine was fixed with a $5 add on. Add to that the $14 I spent for the upgrade to Win8 Pro ... everything working now. Had brief return to 7 but problems worked out now it's fine.

-Max

I agree with this statement. When I upgrade later this month I plan on customizing the 'Start Screen' so it becomes the 'Launch Pad' for my favorite desktop apps. Over time I figure I'll get the hang of the 'Metro' apps and how they can benefit my personal work flow but for the time being the 'Start Screen' will be nothing more then a cool looking application launcher. In fact, I'm planning on buying 'OblyTile' so I can graphically customize the icons on my 'Start Screen' to suit my personal tastes.

I'm looking forward to it.
 

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PParks,

I absolutely concur with this. Piracy seems to be an acceptable behavior in many circles. One guy I work with here actually asked me "You mean you really PAY for your music?". Damned right I do. I pay for everything I use. I'm even one of the six people that's paid for WinZIP (PKZIP before that!).

When everything is paid for you sleep very well at night.

-Max
I agree with this. For some reason, some people think that if somethings easy to steal, then it's OK to steal. Especially when it comes to things in the form of a very large, well-organized set of binary digits that you can't see.

This (copyright issues) has been a problem ever since computers have existed and particularly once they became "appliances". People do not seem to follow the idea that copying intellectual content is exactly the same thing as stealing. People that wouldn't think of stealing hard goods from a store think nothing of stealing a thousand-dollar software package. If "replicator" (Star Trek) technology ever develops, then stealing cars will be as easy as copying software. What was once considered illegal will then become "OK" because it's easy to do.

Oops ... I think we're off-topic. Sorry mods!

-Max
 

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See that's what I hate about the Start page, it's a jumble. I understand why for a touch screen mobile device like a phone or 10" tablet, but on a desktop a cascading menu using the hover event or pseudo class to initiate the cascade is much better.

That's why we have 3rd-party addons like Start8. With that I use my machine as a "Win7 Plus" machine. I'm at the desktop most of the time and can fiddle around with "Modern" if and when I feel like doing so. In actual practice this thing ain't any harder to use than 7 was. I think we all (myself included) have made a huge deal over this when in actual use it's really not much of a problem. Mine was fixed with a $5 add on. Add to that the $14 I spent for the upgrade to Win8 Pro ... everything working now. Had brief return to 7 but problems worked out now it's fine.

-Max

I agree with this statement. When I upgrade later this month I plan on customizing the 'Start Screen' so it becomes the 'Launch Pad' for my favorite desktop apps. Over time I figure I'll get the hang of the 'Metro' apps and how they can benefit my personal work flow but for the time being the 'Start Screen' will be nothing more then a cool looking application launcher. In fact, I'm planning on buying 'OblyTile' so I can graphically customize the icons on my 'Start Screen' to suit my personal tastes.

I'm looking forward to it.

The system really does run fine. As I said, it isn't appreciably different than Win7 but it has the Win8 "extensions" now. I don't use very much in the Metro (OK, Modern) but it's there in case I want to. I've got the development tools and references so I can tinker with it when I feel like it. It's like a book that you only open when you feel like it. I hardly even need to see the "Modern" side of it if I feel like tinkering with it, otherwise everything is pretty much the same as it was.

I probably won't bother upgrading my other machines from Win7 right now because, frankly, there's nothing about it that I patently *need*. I've only got it on my main notebook machine so I can keep an eye on it and experiment. That it doesn't break anything significant is a plus.

-Max
 

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I absolutely concur with this. Piracy seems to be an acceptable behavior in many circles. One guy I work with here actually asked me "You mean you really PAY for your music?". Damned right I do. I pay for everything I use. I'm even one of the six people that's paid for WinZIP (PKZIP before that!).

When everything is paid for you sleep very well at night.

-Max

I paid for all of my music - some FOUR MONTHS of constant sounds, if you pressed the right button...! BUT, my hard-drive died or caught a cold and now there's no recourse. How does one prove that one bought it? My Amazon records don't go back that far and many of the cd's I burned from I don't have anymore. So I strongly believe that I can now have what I want (what I had) for nothing anywhere I can get it... Microsoft don't care but they'll take the money. Amazon is similar, but they WILL honour a re-download of what remains in ones download folder - which, after a re-load of windows and loading windows 8 and some years of time seem to have lost. A tricky business indeed, but not my concern as I paid the money ONCE. If the lawyers can fix my old hard-drive, then the truth will out and I shall have no need to source my - 'MY' - music from 'free' sources...
 
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I paid for all of my music - some FOUR MONTHS of constant sounds, if you pressed the right button...! BUT, my hard-drive died or caught a cold and now there's no recourse. How does one prove that one bought it? My Amazon records don't go back that far and many of the cd's I burned from I don't have anymore. So I strongly believe that I can now have what I want (what I had) for nothing anywhere I can get it... Microsoft don't care but they'll take the money. Amazon is similar, but they WILL honour a re-download of what remains in ones download folder - which, after a re-load of windows and loading windows 8 and some years of time seem to have lost. A tricky business indeed, but not my concern as I paid the money ONCE. If the lawyers can fix my old hard-drive, then the truth will out and I shall have no need to source my - 'MY' - music from 'free' sources...

You know ... in such a situation if you can somehow recover some music that you know that you bought and paid for from a free source, I can't imagine why there would be a problem there. You know you paid for it. It's a matter of conscience. Most people downloading pirated content are knowingly stealing it.

-Max
 

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I'd like to know the total amount of software that has been pirated over the decades. It must be in the billions. I'm in a building business when sometimes I design and draw projects. I can't count with all my digits of how many illegal copies of just AutoCad, let alone other programs on machines I've seen through the years of either someone I know or machines I've fixed.

I think this is one of the reasons MS has introduced the Modern app via the new UI. I noticed that when installing EE from RP that MS kept track of all the apps I had installed on RP whether bought or free. I was then able to install in EE. This will greatly aid to the decline of piracy. I think all software will eventually be written in the Modern interface only to be purchased via the MS Store. This way they keep track of what's installed on one's computer. I think 3rd party software companies will enjoy this as well. Hard working and honest people will gain the money due them by this system of sale.

Some might see this as policing. It surely is. As long as one purchases software legally then one is doing no wrong. Besides that, one does not need to keep copies of software on hand. One just downloads it to reinstall via the MS Store.
 

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I'd like to know the total amount of software that has been pirated over the decades. It must be in the billions. I'm in a building business when sometimes I design and draw projects. I can't count with all my digits of how many illegal copies of just AutoCad, let alone other programs on machines I've seen through the years of either someone I know or machines I've fixed.

Yeah, it has to be in the billions. I have seen many, many pirated copies of software installed on people's machines myself. I can remember a number of places (way back in the DOS days) where people were using illegal copies of Novell Netware, Word Perfect, you name it. Some of my clients were legal offices (of all things) who would have ONE copy of the software and using it on a network with 25 users! Very annoying. Stealing some of these titles (like AutoCad, SQL Server, QuickBooks, etc.) amount, literally, to grand theft. In fact, laws were passed some time back declaring such piracy just that. Unfortunately it's almost impossible to enforce those laws. Whenever I've encountered such I've refused to work with the pirated software. When a friend (or whatever) had me work on their machines I would ask them for the license to the software and if they couldn't produce it I would refuse to work with it until the software was either removed or they purchased a copy. Sometimes people would get offended making excuses like "... but I can't AFFORD to purchase [insert title here] ... I couldn't stay in business!" My answer to that is, then, you don't belong in business.

The hilarious thing about it is that many of these businesses I worked with where there was pirated software had expensive equipment they needed to do their business but when it came to paying for the software all-of-a-sudden they couldn't "afford it". Somehow software tools, because they're not physical items, are considered "vapor" or "freebie" items. The really silly thing is that they couldn't run their business without it (like AutoCAD) any more than they could run it without the lathe in the back of the shop. Hypocritical.

I think this is one of the reasons MS has introduced the Modern app via the new UI. I noticed that when installing EE from RP that MS kept track of all the apps I had installed on RP whether bought or free. I was then able to install in EE. This will greatly aid to the decline of piracy. I think all software will eventually be written in the Modern interface only to be purchased via the MS Store. This way they keep track of what's installed on one's computer. I think 3rd party software companies will enjoy this as well. Hard working and honest people will gain the money due them by this system of sale.

Some might see this as policing. It surely is. As long as one purchases software legally then one is doing no wrong. Besides that, one does not need to keep copies of software on hand. One just downloads it to reinstall via the MS Store.

You know, I hadn't thought of that aspect of it - the control over piracy. You're right. The Modern interface is certainly not up to the task for heavy-duty applications (I mean, can you imagine AutoCAD in Modern?), but control over software licensing is definitely more of a possibility through that delivery method. I support that idea to a point, however the next logical step there might be trying to control desktop applications through the store like that. I'm not sure I support that idea, though if implemented properly it might not be too bad. I'd hate to see MS lock down the desktop in that way as the ability to deliver a program to a system is one of the strong points of the Microsoft platform. Anything I write in VS2008 is deliverable to any Windows system from XP upward.

However ... things are changing. We shall see how it goes.

-Max
 

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I gave up on piracy years ago when working for a commercial software company. Been employed in the software industry since 1997. Thankfully lots of Open Source software made piracy far less appealing. If a free alternative is not available that does what I need, I purchase the one that will.

I even pay for my digital music these days. It's simply not worth the effort of scouring for the tunes, getting the right ones, making sure they are volume consistent, making sure they aren't edited or have the endings cut off...when I can purchase the entire MP3 album for like $5 from Amazon.
 

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While I do not like paying for software, I will (and do) if I have to.
But often, a freeware, trial version, or shareware product is available to do the job.
I consider this to be a better option than piracy, because it's legal, and makes piracy unnecessary.
There are quite a few very good freeware progs out there.
I do not pirate. It's unnecessary.
Wenda.
 
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Boy, things are getting a little heated here with some of you.
Now come on lets be honest here.
In W8 you boot-up into the Start Screen (providing that you exclude the password sequence which is left to you and applies in all OS's.)
If you have spent a little time at first set-up you will see ALL your normal & frequently used tiles/icons arranged and Named in Groups. (Again YOUR choice and NOT predetermined as in the Start Button of previous OS's)
Here comes option 1. You can click on the Tile/Icon of required program which will both open the program itself but also open it in the Desktop. (So 1 click and you are up and running in a 'program' in Desktop)
Option 2. Click on the Desktop Tile to be taken to Desktop where, if you have moved from W7 you will find it arranged in exactly the same way you had it in W7. If not comming to W8 by that route you can simply pin icons to the Desktop Taskbar as required - you only have to do it once - no big deal.
So you are up and running in perhaps your Browser within Desktop and you need to open another program. Well just as previously you select that icon from your Taskbar (if it's frequently used item - again determined by you) If an infrequent program then you went to Start and started to trawl for it. Would you believe it but in W8 you right click where the Start used to be to find yourself in the Start Page where (providing you took the trouble to set it up to YOUR OWN requirements) you will far more easily have access to the clearly illustrated icons/tiles for ALL programs and of course instant search should you require it.
As for the rest, well you are all using this excellent Forum so why don't you avail yourselves of the excellent Tutorial Section which explains everything in plain language.
Come on, it's a great OS and easy to use, just look before you leap - namely do a little research and stop the moaning.

Well said!
 

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@ Ray8

Thanks for the article leads. :)

Of course we will never be able to stop piracy 100%, but we can get it to a minimum as far as possible. As long as there are dishonest writers and pirates that download to install or whatever means there will always remain piracy.

If we think about it, we pay for pirating by paying a higher price for legitimate software. Companies have to make profit. Too many thieves and people with there hand out in this world looking for a free ride. It's getting worse by the year. I, for one, am getting sick and tired of it. Something has to change and change soon.

I never claimed to be perfect, but if you think this is another one of my moral rants -> it is. Someone has to speak out and hold people to higher standards. The generation that won the war against the Axis powers and raised me did. I'm simply carrying on the family tradition.

@ Max Peck

I may be wrong, but it may be that all software will eventually be written in the Modern interface. It may take some time, but I think it will. I'm not that savvy to know if that's possible. Perhaps someone smarter than me can answer that.

Bottom line -> I don't give a hoot if MS knows what programs are installed on my machine just as long as they don't know what files I create with them. That's private. If I have legitimate software then there's no harm. We have to remember that we don't own the software, we purchase the right to use it. I wouldn't blame MS or any other software companies if they went this route.
 

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