The Great Upgrade Upheaval

The final rollout of Windows 8 is now beginning and it will be loaded on all the new machines. I can assure you, though, that just as with the transition from XP to Vista, nobody will want to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8. What's the point? Windows 7 works fine and Windows 8 is odd.

Talk about negative, lol.

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A Guy
 
Take it from the source. I used to read him and he's never positive, IMO.

I already know trying to upgrade from XP/Vista/7 to Windows 8 will be a headache. Nothing will work correctly. You'll have to track down updates and with old software from forgotten vendors, you may never get to upgrade your applications.
Also, upgrading to newer operating systems too often requires so many reinstalls of your favorite packages that it is not worth the aggravation.
 

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I have a good upgrade offer, stay on Windows 7 for 10 years and be one of those "weird" people.

:p
 

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So, nobody ever wants to upgrade and Windows 8 will be no exception.

I agree with JD. You should stay with Windows 7 or better yet, stay with XP released in 2001.

one of the best things about the Microsoft DOS when compared with the Macintosh was that there was simply a logic to everything

Every coder knows "ini" files are much better than the registry. Why not simply eliminate the GUI and go back to DOS. It certainly is more logical. There's no need for a registry, after all. Who needs it?

None of this would be so problematic if Microsoft abandoned the registry and put individual programs into easy-to-move folders.

The System Registry

Windows Registry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

JD needs a tutorial on why the registry exists.

I still have two XP machines around the house and I am totally reluctant to upgrade to anything new.

This is definitely better

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than this

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Sounds like he is just too lazy to upgrade, so if he can convince others not to upgrade he won't feel so lazy :rolleyes:
 

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As I see it you've got the following choices:

Will you upgrade to the Titanic (W8), and rearrange the deck chairs (Start Menu tiles)

... or stay in the life boat (W7)! :roflmao:
 

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Registry

The Registry's main function is DRM.
 

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I have a good upgrade offer, stay on Windows 7 for 10 years and be one of those "weird" people.

:p

Hi there
still using Windows 2003 server every day (essentially an "XP" like system but a zillion times more robust).

I haven't found anything that doesn't work on it that I need to get working.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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Right now I am running windows 8 consumer preview, had to see what it is. I think it is decent except for the goofy start screen, but if Microsoft doesn't provide me a decent deal to buy windows 8 I will be looking for a windows 7 pro disk or go back to xp. If microsoft offers me a decent deal like apple does I will stay with windows 8
 

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Hmmm. Stay with what works (7) or something that most likely won't (8). I have no clue :p
 

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I'm just upgrading, see no reason not to. Purchased Start8, so why not? :)
Various improvements!
 

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It's obvious that a great number of people won't upgrade if they don't see a benefit from it.
I would upgrade for the hybrid boot and new features (except Metro) but it's just me.
And if 7 works well, then why upgrading?
 

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If Windows 7 becomes the new XP, it won't bother me to stay with it for another 10 years. As long as Microsoft keeps supporting it with updates and patches, I'll keep using it on my current PC's. I have no plans to upgrade those to windows 8. If I build or buy a new device then Windows 8 may end up on that device.
 

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I don't plan to upgrade as I would rather not spend 40 on it. I would rather put 40 towards a game, some new hardware or something else.

The only true way for me to show ms that I don't care for this tablet app style interface is to not use it. Perhaps this will lead to improvements in win9.
 

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The Registry's main function is DRM.

Incorrect. The registry is a repository for the entire system configuration as well as most applications running on the system. DRM is but only one of thousands of uses for the registry. The registry existed in Windows systems long before there was any such thing as "DRM".

-Max
 

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The author seems to have a valid point about the Registry and the AppData folder IMO. I too hate the idea of programs scattering their components on different parts of the machine like the Registry and AppData, leaving behind a lot of garbage when uninstalled which is said to cause performance degradation over time

A number of the Desktop applications I use are portable so they don't touch the Registry as much. I like people who make portable software packages.

When it comes to Windows 8, very few average users are talking about it and many still don't know that it exists unlike when Windows 7 was at this stage, it was a savior from the wreck people perceived of Vista.

Maybe some OEM's will be smart enough to make Start Menu alternatives packaged into their machines. These guys will be heroes for Windows 8.
 

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The MAIN function is DRM (to prevent software copying)

The Registry's main function is DRM.

Incorrect. The registry is a repository for the entire system configuration as well as most applications running on the system. DRM is but only one of thousands of uses for the registry.

A central settings repository is a good idea, but that isn't the real function that the Registry serves.

Before the Registry:

  • Programs had ini and dat files which held that information (similar to Linux config files).
  • You could simply copy a program folder to another HDD/partition (or PC) and use it.
The MAIN purpose of the Registry is to prevent that.
Therefore the MAIN function is DRM (to prevent software copying).

If it is simply a settings repository, why can't you move a program to a new location on the machine (e.g. different partition)?
You can't do it, because it is specifically designed to prevent that.

If it is supposed to hold vital settings information, why is it so fragile (i.e. prone to corruption)?
The answer is that a corrupted Registry still serves its MAIN function, preventing software from being copied.

All the other so-called features were tacked on afterthoughts (to try and disguise its true purpose).

Example
In XP, the Registry remembered folder settings.
The number of folder settings it could remember was less than the number of folders in the basic OS!

Linux has system-wide settings and libraries and it uses text config files to do it.
I suppose that it could be argued that "/etc" is equivalent to the Windows Registry.

The registry existed in Windows systems long before there was any such thing as "DRM".

Incorrect.
Simple DRM existed in early 1980's MS-DOS PC games (long before Windows).

The author seems to have a valid point about the Registry and the AppData folder IMO. I too hate the idea of programs scattering their components on different parts of the machine like the Registry and AppData, leaving behind a lot of garbage when uninstalled which is said to cause performance degradation over time

A number of the Desktop applications I use are portable so they don't touch the Registry as much. I like people who make portable software packages.

Before the Registry, all programs were portable.
 

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