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Thanks, Grant. :)

Well, out of the gate -> We had loser Vista before 7 with a little better economic time, so I'm sure a lot of users were looking for better. Now we have super 7 in worse economic times, so I think perhaps people aren't willing to change just yet.

8 will be slow out of the gate as I've stated in other threads. Most units will be on hybrids, lappys, and the like preinstalled. They way I read it is that a lot of enterprise still runs Xp. They will most likely upgrade to 7, which will be around a while.

I also have a hunch OEMs will start selling PCs with touch screens.
 

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Thanks, Grant. :)

Well, out of the gate -> We had loser Vista before 7 with a little better economic time, so I'm sure a lot of users were looking for better. Now we have super 7 in worse economic times, so I think perhaps people aren't willing to change just yet.

8 will be slow out of the gate as I've stated in other threads. Most units will be on hybrids, lappys, and the like preinstalled. They way I read it is that a lot of enterprise still runs Xp. They will most likely upgrade to 7, which will be around a while.

I also have a hunch OEMs will start selling PCs with touch screens.

Thanks Tony,
OEMs will most defiantly sell PCs with touch screens. Why this would make sense, really because MS is forcing the tablet industry to take over the PC industry. PCs will continue to sell as long as MS doesn't begin to keep there OS to themselves, such as Apple's industry choice. Apple does rather well for a self-providing company, with bits of Intel.

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Another article to add to the list.

I posted this in the "Will you upgrade? That is the question..." thread last week:

There have been several articles pointing out that less people are using W8 compared to W7 at the same stage of its release cycle.

According to NetMarketShare:
  • Windows 7 had a 1% market share at the 1st of September 2009.
  • Windows 8 has a 0.25% market share (currently)

It's now the 4th most widely used Windows OS (according to NetMarketShare).
Market share for mobile, browsers, operating systems and search engines | NetMarketShare
Operating system market share
 

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Usually, adoption rates of a new Windows release takes at least six months before things pick up. It will take adverting, promoting, educating, and finally using Windows 8.
 

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Poor pre-launch showing plagues Windows 8...

Poor pre-launch showing plagues Windows 8 - Computerworld

[h=2]Now five times less likely to be on a PC than early-adoption benchmark set by Windows 7[/h]
With just weeks before the public launch of Windows 8, users are five times less likely to be running the new OS than they were Windows 7 at the same point in its countdown, an analytics firm said today.
The newest numbers from California-based Net Applications portray a tepid reception so far for Windows 8.
Unlike post-launch numbers, the early returns from Net Applications are not contaminated with those new PCs that come with an operating system pre-loaded. Rather, users chose to install the previews and finished code of Windows 8 and its precursor, providing a picture of customer interest in the OS itself, not in the desire or need to acquire new hardware.

Just 0.33% of all computers running Windows during September relied on Windows 8, Net Applications' statistics showed Monday. That number represents 33 out of every 10,000 Windows machines.

More...
 

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Windows 8 will eventually catch up, as it is clear now MS cannot just throw out a new user UI with a market, (unless of course, metro becomes optional.)

This is like iOS and Android. They cannot ditch there market share for a new "application store" like metro's Windows Marketplace. I see the convince of using a market.
 

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Hi there
Most "Traditional Laptop" users won't have anything to do with an "App Store".

Ms has made IMO a Monumental Bo - Bo in failing to recognize that a lot of traditional Desktop users still want a Desktop OS -- we don't need 4793 or even more tiles with a horizontal 3 KM left scroll to launch an application or even find it.

You can do a certain amount of optimisation or re-arranging of the tiles -- but nobody has come up with a decent way of launching applications that have a load of sub menus and sub sub menus. All these are displayed as individual tiles -- and before long you could have maybe 4,000 tiles -- extreme case I know but not impossible -- and just imagine the hideous amount of scrolling you have to do to launch an application.

Bad Call Ms -- You have to decide whether Windows will remain a desktop OS or a Mobile application -- and until this is sorted out any version of Windows later than W7 will have significant problems in gaining public acceptance.

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Hi there
Most "Traditional Laptop" users won't have anything to do with an "App Store".

Ms has made IMO a Monumental Bo - Bo in failing to recognize that a lot of traditional Desktop users still want a Desktop OS -- we don't need 4793 or even more tiles with a horizontal 3 KM left scroll to launch an application or even find it.

You can do a certain amount of optimisation or re-arranging of the tiles -- but nobody has come up with a decent way of launching ap[plications that have a lod of sub menus and sub sub menus. All these are displayed as individual tiles -- and before long you could have maybe 4,000 tiles -- extreme case I know but not impossible -- and just imagine the hideous amount of scrolling you have to do to launch an application.

Bad Call Ms -- You have to decide wh
ether Windows will remain a desktop OS or a Mobile application -- and until this is sorted out any version of Windows later than W7 will have significant problems in gaining public acceptance.

Cheers
jimbo

Who would have 4,000 tiles? It's like having a Desktop that is only used to have dozens of small icons that you use from time to time...sounds like hording or terrible UI hygiene....
 

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Hi there

@ Cokerobot

You really haven't a clue what I'm saying here.

try installing something like Oracle Financials or any sort of ERP software (such as SAP CRM / SRM / E-WHM / HR etc etc) on W8 to say nothing of Photoshop or whatever.

You obviously haven't a TOTAL CLUE about these sorts of applications which can create ZILLIONS of tiles on W8 when they are installed.

Suggest "Please engage Brain before Opening Mouth" -- I.E READ and UNDERSTAND posts before replying.

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Ms has made IMO a Monumental Bo - Bo in failing to recognize that a lot of traditional Desktop users still want a Desktop OS -- we don't need 4793 or even more tiles with a horizontal 3 KM left scroll to launch an application or even find it.

I'm starting to think that lots of desktop users are just simple content consumers and perhaps never actually had much of a need for an actual PC/laptop, but had one simply because that was all that was available. No doubt, I was shocked by how many tablets sold with such limited functionality...but people seem to fall all over themselves to get a tablet.

For us day-to-day users, business users, and such....I see very little benefit to this new OS release. I agree with you about all of the littering of tiles all over the start screen. Sure, you can clean it all up, but I for one believe that you shouldn't have to. Sure, down the the road, I am sure the problem will go away as app designers simply won't add them all to the start screen as is happening now. Just like the fact that I don't get 35 icons on my desktop when I install the Adobe Suite, but instead get a few icons and a bunch of Program Group entries instead.

Bad Call Ms -- You have to decide whether Windows will remain a desktop OS or a Mobile application -- and until this is sorted out any version of Windows later than W7 will have significant problems in gaining public acceptance.

Cheers
jimbo

I'm very curious to see what the public actually thinks. I thought MS had a good thing going, but the widespread adoption of tablets, Apple stuff in general and a move to the cloud really seemed to concern Microsoft greatly. They seemed to panic a bit and pushed hard to fend off the charge in direction with Windows 8. Only time will tell how that pans out. I think for many home users, who don't install all that many apps anyways...this might not be the end of the world. I think the biggest uphill battle will be from businesses who don't want to deal with the change, retraining, clutter, large applications, etc.
 

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Hi there
Most "Traditional Laptop" users won't have anything to do with an "App Store".

Ms has made IMO a Monumental Bo - Bo in failing to recognize that a lot of traditional Desktop users still want a Desktop OS -- we don't need 4793 or even more tiles with a horizontal 3 KM left scroll to launch an application or even find it.

You can do a certain amount of optimisation or re-arranging of the tiles -- but nobody has come up with a decent way of launching applications that have a load of sub menus and sub sub menus. All these are displayed as individual tiles -- and before long you could have maybe 4,000 tiles -- extreme case I know but not impossible -- and just imagine the hideous amount of scrolling you have to do to launch an application.

Bad Call Ms -- You have to decide whether Windows will remain a desktop OS or a Mobile application -- and until this is sorted out any version of Windows later than W7 will have significant problems in gaining public acceptance.

Cheers
jimbo

Bad Call Ms -- You have to decide whether Windows will remain a desktop OS or a Mobile application -- and until this is sorted out any version of Windows later than W7 will have significant problems in gaining public acceptance.

Best quote of the day so far! :cool:
 

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I disagree > NOT a bad call at all - MS. Quite an inspired one, in fact.

Windows 8 will do less well than Windows 7 initially.
Windows 8 may be an unpopular Operating System.
However, Windows 8 is a traditional desktop Operating System and can do anything that
Windows 7 can do and more. > My desktop is not mobile.

If an application creates "zillions" of tiles, then the application installer has been poorly written.

Adobe Master Collection, Photoshop, Visual Studio, Corel, Office, Oracle Financials, and others that are compatible with Microsoft Platforms can function within the environment of Windows 8.
Business is not the alpha and omega of life.

The typical tile count (for the start screen) is between 1 and 80 averaging between 30
and 50. Apps can be unpinned or uninstalled and removed from the screen.
And the tile count can be reduced to minimal numbers.
Making a statement that suggests hundreds to thousands of tiles is ludicrous and irrational.
In any event, 500 tiles can be reduced to 20 in ten minutes or less.
Suggesting that organizing should not be required has no merit since this has never been the case before with any system at any time.

Once again, the semantic zoom feature in the all apps area is where the Operating
System organization of installations is maintained. There is no need for nesting or hierarchies.

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One thing for sure..... we're all gonna know soon, real soon.:thumbsup:
 

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