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How Windows 8 will shake up the laptop market

  1. #31


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    This is total B/S -- there is NO WAY on the known universe that you could even THINK about doing any type of SAP development using a Metro type screen.
    Maybe you should actually read for once Jimbo, we're talking about the DESKTOP not a Metro screen. Stating that you can't use Desktop Applications in Metro is quite obvious isn't it? I don't have to google anything, desktop applications works just the same in W8 as it does in W7...you're the one the keeps bringing up Metro.

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  2. #32


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    The thing I don't understand is there have been mega posts on this forum explaining how to use keyboard commands, but now suddenly we dont' need a keyboard, only touch?

    Also touch is useful in physically small devices like iPhone, but if space is so cramped that your hands can't use the keyboard on a laptop, a tablet would be a better solution. Or do you simply mean the laptop won't sit flat on your lap because it's depth is too long, so you're going to use the touch screen with the laptop screen in the vertical plane? Now that would be a neat trick!
    Last edited by Mustang; 28 Sep 2012 at 05:22.
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  3. #33


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    The thing I don't understand is there have been mega posts on this forum explaining how to use keyboard commands, but now suddenly we dont' need a keyboard, only touch?

    Also touch is useful in physically small devices like iPhone, but if space is so cramped that your hands can't use the keyboard, a tablet would be a better solution. Or do you simply mean the laptop won't sit flat on your lap because it's depth is too long, so you're going to use the touch screen with the laptop screen in the vertical plane? Now that would be a neat trick!
    A great many people are running Windows 8 on non touch devices. If you don't have a touch screen, keyboard shortcuts are often faster and easier than the mouse clicks it now takes to launch something.
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  4. #34


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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    you DO need a traditional desktop plus multi monitors for a whole host of traditional applications.
    Which you can all do with a hybrid Windows 8 Pro laptop\tablet, it's not that difficult of a concept to understand. I can take a Surface Pro tablet and add a keyboard and mouse plus an external monitor to the display port, if I want more monitors I can use some USB to VGA\DVI adapters and plug in some more with my on board USB 3.0 ports. I can then run all the spreadsheets I want, Visual Studio, SAP applications and many more. PLUS!! I can distribute those in multiple windows across all my desktop monitors just like I would in Windows 7. All this while never bringing up Metro Apps in the process or even touch my tablets screen if I don't want to.

    I'm not talking about iPad devices or Windows 8 RT tablets that ONLY run Apps. Not wanting to do it with a Windows Pro tablet is one thing, saying that you can't do it is ignorance.
    I would love to see you edit tables in Excel, Word, or any other application without a real mouse. Even laptop users carry mobile mice in their bags with them, even though laptops have always had their own version of the mouse with them for ages.
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  5. #35


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    Dellius, that is true, but keep in mind, most of what you will be able to do with a Win8 Pro Tablet, you can not even come close to doing on an Ipad.

    no one is saying that you are NOT going to need a mouse and keyboard at some point, no one is saying that, which is why the Surface comes with a Keyboard with a TouchPad.

    If it comes with Bluetooth that would be nice.

    There is no reason for the scare tactics and hysterics.
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  6. #36


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dellius View Post
    I would love to see you edit tables in Excel, Word, or any other application without a real mouse. Even laptop users carry mobile mice in their bags with them, even though laptops have always had their own version of the mouse with them for ages.
    And at what point in my post did I even mention not using a mouse? As a matter of fact I clearly state plugging in a keyboard and mouse.
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  7. #37


    I really don't see a need for touch on a laptop unless it's one you can pull the screen off of and then it's a tablet.

    Who wants to reach to the screen to touch it when the keyboard and pad are closer.

    BTW I have a blackberry playbook tablet and I love the UI on it. Sounds like the RT will be less capable then the playbook.

    Edit: same goes for a desktop, maybe I'm lazy but I think it would be a pain to keep reaching to touch the screen when the keyboard is right there where you don't have to stretch to reach it.
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  8. #38


    I'm not a fan of touchscreens in general. They work for me when its a mobile phone or its a portable device that I am using in a nonconvenient location. For example, I'm hammering out this message on my droid2 and I am using my physical qwerty keyboard. I touched the screen to fire the app, and I touched the screen to read this thread...but when it came time to reply..its a physical keyboard. Without my physical keyboard I would have never made this post. This makes it hard for me to replace my phone, as I don't want to give up the physical keyboard.

    I do some audio stuff on the side, and use highend digital console mixing boards and I hate, hate, hate using the touchscreens on them. All too often I click the wrong thing, accidentally drop an errant thumb elsewhere. But they really are a necessity to handle the complexity and configuration options on these boards. So, I deal with them. But when something can be done with a physical button, that is what I use.
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  9. #39


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    I'm tapping this post out with my touch screen phone. I'm the opposite, I hate, hate, hate using physical keyboards on phones as I have to focus on hitting every letter correctly and therefore I'm slower. On a touch screen, I just fly.

    Now, touch keyboards on tablets on the other hand suck hardcore for me. They usually aren't laid out like tradition keyboards but more like phone keyboards so they're basically not ergonoically correct.




    pparks, have you every thought of using a stylus? Much more accurate than fingering.
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  10. #40


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    pparks, have you every thought of using a stylus? Much more accurate than fingering.
    Have to agree stylus is the only way to go with touch phones. Especially if you have large fingers.

    But when using a desktop, if you've done a course in touch typing, it's no contest, because you don't have to look at the keyboard, only the text you're typing from; or the word doco if you're creating a new article. Ooopps! Better check to make sure I havvenn"t gooty any typos!

    And physical keypads for desks are much easier than laptop physical keyboards. In the latter the keys are all flat and not delineated anywhere near as good. Again, especially if you have large fingers.

    I suppose horses for courses to some extent.
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