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Steve Ballmer Suggests Microsoft Has No Backup Plan if Windows 8 Fails

  1. #31


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    Use the tool that works best for you, knowing that no product is the best for everyone. You know this already from our previous discussions, but I think Windows 8 will be a good choice for the bulk of people right away, and for a good deal more after they get used to it. For the few (and few could be millions, considering there's potentially 1bn Win7 installations out there right now) that don't like it, it might be time to consider other options that work best. A tool is a tool, and using the right one for the job AND the operator is the best choice, regardless of who you work for or what you're doing. If you have the choice to make the decision for yourself, and that choice isn't Windows 8, so be it. If it's Linux, or the Mac OS, or even previous versions of Windows, so be it. There's nothing wrong with that, period.

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  2. #32


    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    For the few (and few could be millions, considering there's potentially 1bn Win7 installations out there right now) that don't like it, it might be time to consider other options that work best.
    I think few isn't really the right word. My gut feel is that it will be the majority of people who don't really like it. And that seems reasonable since this is the first major change to Windows in a very long time.
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  3. #33


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    It's possible there is no reverse direction. So the question is moot. If Ballmer already has contracted to deploy an estimated 400 million copies of 8 on all kinds of devices, how can they reverse course? People depend on their communication and production devices. It's not like an 8 track tape deck or a laser disk player. Anyway, 8 is only a small part of Microsoft. Large quantities of server licenses cost thousands of dollars times a million servers worldwide. Then there is Office. Then there is "BUILD" and developer software. Then there is etc etc etc... Microsoft Press, multiple technical certifications cost thousands times 2 million techs, exchange online archiving, exchange hosted encryption, Microsoft Dynamics CRM online, Windows Intune, collaboration tools, exhange hosted email services, cloud services, etc etc...
    OEM's have a lot invested in new technology.
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  4. #34


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I think few isn't really the right word. My gut feel is that it will be the majority of people who don't really like it. And that seems reasonable since this is the first major change to Windows in a very long time.

    Win8 supporters can't even crack 50% in this poll on this site. I haven't seen a poll anywhere in which a majority of people said they love/will buy/will upgrade/whatever 8. Maybe there's one out there, I don't know. That said, what counts is how well it sells plus how many of those people decide to downgrade.
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  5. #35


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    While your point is made, remember that the only people who have it right now are exactly the kinds of people who would be most against UI change (aka IT people). That's generally not a great sign (see the "lego" or "playschool" Windows XP commentary from 2001-2002), but it's most certainly not a representation of the computing public at large.
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  6. #36


    But we IT people are also highly likely to be able to figure out how to get it done too. I'm most worried about people like my neighbors and my parents, and my inlaws...who I forsee struggling to figure this stuff out and are far less likely to scour the web for forums such as this.
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  7. #37


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    Yes, but they'll get the OOBE experience and a pamphlet describing all of the new UI quirks and differences, which you and I (and anyone else pulling down from an MSVL site, MSDN, or TechNet) didn't get. I've showed my wife a few things (which should be in the official documentation) at first, when I upgraded her laptop, and she's been fine since. She pretty much lacks any technical proficiency other than she has used Windows 7 without issue for a few years and can navigate an iPhone, and while I am aware that's only empirical evidence, it still shows it can be done. Again, we shall see, but a lot of IT folks claim somehow it will be too hard for people to adjust to, and yet people adjust to things just fine every day. I'm not sure how or why an OS will be any different, but I hear daily how moving the mouse to the corners, or using your fingers to touch things, will be the death-knell of Microsoft.

    It's amazing how IT people see users (dumb sheep), when in fact they're (for the most part) not. They just do things that usually aren't technology-related for a living, that's all.
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  8. #38


    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    but I hear daily how moving the mouse to the corners, or using your fingers to touch things, will be the death-knell of Microsoft.
    It's not those 2 things which bother me.

    It's the lack of being able to make Windows work as I want it to work (no start screen, and a start button), lack of customization of the Metro start screen (cannot even use custom images), full screen metro apps (I just don't see any benefit AT ALL on a desktop for a full screen app). I don't like the thought of software coming via the Microsoft store in the future versus coming from any third party that I currently choose to do business with.

    But hey, at the end of the day, Microsoft isn't going to force me to run Windows 8, and I'm not going to part with $40 to upgrade my Windows 7 boxes. So, in fact, I'm really not all that bothered. We aren't moving to it at work, so I don't have to worry about supporting it, patching it, teaching users how to use it, or rewriting documentation.
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  9. #39


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    The consumer personal computer market is what is ripe for overhaul.

    A few can afford the current macbook entry price - most can't.

    There is a very very big market there for the taking.

    That is the risk MS is taking atm. A small risk - they must have weighed it up.

    Apple could certainly do it - not sure they will, tho.

    They could produce a lower price macbook - very good for the price - but still not as good as the higher price ones - danger of lowering the premium position they have.

    Google are capable of it - linux variants are doing great on phones - oem's would be up for it.

    But Google have a lot going on already. Not sure they would want to divert resources for an undertaking that size - in spite of the enormous potential rewards.

    That is why MS think they can get away with what they are doing now.

    They feel their existing base is pretty much impervious - they can chase something else.
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  10. #40


    At this point with w7 just about everyone i know was on w7 beta of some sort and never left it.
    I know not a single person who tried w8 and stuck with it. Myself, I ran it for weeks, tossed it and see absolutely no reason to ever look at that again.
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