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    I think they were slightly embarrassed about it and that's why server core no GUI is the default install option lol.

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    We'll see shortly. My understanding was that TIFKAM only showed up if you enabled the "desktop experience" thingamajig. I didn't see it in my RC machine - that one went right to the desktop. (Hmmm ... wonder if that can be done in Windows 8? )

    Download was flawless for me but I had to wait until I got home to fire up VMware and start an installation. That's running now.

    Edit: Goes straight to the desktop out of the box, and then opens the Server Manager Dashboard. No TIFKAM by default.
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  3. #13


    But do you get a start button, or when you hit the Start key on the keyboard, does it to take you to tiles?
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    There is no start button, and if you press the Windows key or go to the bottom left corner, you get the new start screen. However, in Windows Server 2012, you have virtually no reason to leave the Dashboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Uhhhh, I just looked at the info on Wikipedia and I'm reading that Server 2012 comes with the Metro UI. Are you F'ing kidding me, this is in the server product too????


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    Hi there
    Server 2012 -- you don't have to enable the Desktop experience then you don't get Metro in Server -- background quite ugly then in this case - boring grey desktop -- but it's a SERVER so OK.

    (Actually you can even install it without a GUI - runs from Command line with enhanced set of commands also).

    Not sure why you would need Metro on a server.

    BTW anybody tried IE 10 yet -- and got flash to work.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. #16


    Yeah, I don't want an eye candy desktop, but the Server Core version has been a bit of a pain to work with in the past. I'm totally comfortable with Linux with no GUI, but not Windows server.

    I haven't tried IE10 under Server 2012 with Flash. Surfing the web with a server is something I practically never do.
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  7. #17


    I haven't tried IE10 with Flash in WS2012.

    Yes, the Start screen is there but there isn't a lot to it. What little bit I did I was able to launch from Server Manager.

    Background is indeed the ugly gray though I haven't looked to see if that can be changed to something else. As was pointed out, servers are not meant to be "pretty" - just functional.

    I do like the new server groups - something worth looking into in more detail. It would be nice to configure a group of servers at a time for a common function. I might just have to set up a second server to see for myself how the group thing works.
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  8. #18


    This new version is a bit frustrating. Here is an example. I installed Server 2012 standard from MSDN and included a server GUI...since almost all Windows server admins are used to having a GUI.

    It needs a key to install. After install, I wanted to double check and ensure it was activated.

    Normally, I would right click on My Computer > Properties to check this. However, in Server 2012, there is no "My Computer" icon on the desktop. Also, there is no Personalization right click option on the desktop (by default). And yes, I know that I can flip over to the "Start" screen...but I don't want to have to do this.

    Now, I was able to find the ability to modify the desktop icons by SEARCHING for "icons" in Control panel and "Show or hide common icons on the desktop" shows up under Display. HOWEVER, if you just open Control Panel and look under display, you do NOT see "Show or hide common icons on the desktop". You actually HAVE to search, using the searchbox, or it appears the option isn't there.

    I also found that if you install the Desktop Experience feature, which is buried in the "User Interfaces and Infrastructure (INSTALLED) subgroup...you will get the Personlization option back in the right click Context menu. But once you install this feature, you NOW boot directly into the Start Screen...rather than the desktop as it was originally.

    It's a bit disheartening that a seasoned Windows systems admin has to spend nearly 15 minutes trying to figure out HOW to add a My Computer icon to the server desktop, so that I can quickly right-click and check Properties and see if my server is activated, what it's hostname is, what CPU I have installed, how much RAM is there, and whether it's in a workgroup or a domain.
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    In WS2K12, the Dashboard will handle almost all, if not all of those tasks without the need for other tools. Spend some time in the Dashboard, and I think you'll come to love it. Also, Microsoft is really trying to push people away from directly managing a server, instead relying on remote management tools (which is a better practice anyway).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kebero View Post
    In WS2K12, the Dashboard will handle almost all, if not all of those tasks without the need for other tools. Spend some time in the Dashboard, and I think you'll come to love it. Also, Microsoft is really trying to push people away from directly managing a server, instead relying on remote management tools (which is a better practice anyway).
    Hi there

    these days IMHO ALL servers should be run as Virtual Servers anyway - so the issue of IE 10 is a moot point.

    However my point here was that if you try and run this as a Workstation OS ( actually provided you eliminate a lot of the "Core Nags" in servers such as shutdown log nag prompts etc -- you can very successfully run a server as a desktop OS), you encounter problems with IE10 -- which works fine in W8 enterprise RTM but gives problems in W2012 server.

    On W2012 server - flash doesn't work (in spite of being installed) - in trying to access a flash site all you'll get is either a grey or black border for the video. Audio works fine.

    If you try and use the VLC player -free of course - which recognizes and plays more codecs straight from the box than any other comparable program - you'll still get a black /grey screen on the Video - but sound wil;l be fine.

    Don't confuse this with bog standard DVD playing - W2012 works fine with this (using VLC player).

    This is where the IE 10 problem rears it's ugly head -- IE on a server isn't that important - but when running the server as a "Desktop" OS" then problems.

    My best ever -- still beats nearly every other Windows release

    W2003 Server as a desktop OS -- it JUST FLEW. OK Windows R8 is a different ballgame as is W2012 Server but sometimes it's worth "Desktopifying" a server to run as a Workstation OS !!!

    ( How to convert your Windows Server 2003... to a Workstation! )

    Other links for different servers such as W2008 server are also possible - although Win2008 server loses audio but audio in W2012 server works.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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