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Dear readers: How would you change or improve Windows 8?

  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    There are tutorials from various sources - F1 key (desktop) and others.
    MS Help files have been getting progressively worse as time goes by.
    IMO, the XP era ones were the best.

    In W7 (on the rare occasions that I try it) the majority of the results have nothing to do with what I typed in.

    IMO, that's why there are so many sites like VistaForums, SevenForums, EightForums, etc..

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  2. #22


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    I'd like it to have a bit more detailed but simple guide through on how to use Windows 8 after OOBE or even a tile on the Start Screen of an app, titled, Let's Start. Huh, I may become an app developer....

    For example, the current guide shows you how to pull up the Charms bar, great, but what else? I can only go to the top right corner? What about other corners, what's behind those corners? Or how to close an app. I was expecting Microsoft to have a better tutorial. Heck, I learned how to use their Touch Mouse better than what I would had gathered from that screen!
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  3. #23


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    I have looked at the help screens and they seem fairly useful.
    Windows is so easy to use, some of this stuff requires no thought.
    They can never replace a 900 page Microsoft PRESS Administrators Book or Windows 8 for Dummies.
    OMG! I am not going to start being critical of the help files now!
    In all previous versions that I can remember, MS had a welcome tutorial that ran automatically.
    You needed to disable it to get rid of it.
    That's one of the first things I always got rid of first.

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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post

    A lot of Metro haters (me included) would agree. That's the point - the problem with 8 isn't tablets.
    Well in a sense it is. W8 offers a Tablet PC type touchscreen gui as a desktop OS which will simply baffle any novice user as well as trip the advanced while the advanced will put more effort in to find out where things are.
    That's what I'm saying.

    Tablets - fine for 8
    Desktop - what the hell is this crap?

    That tutorial review is funny. I would disagree somewhat with one thing ZW wrote in the original link you posted: "That's the crux of the matter: people like to know where things are and on the most part do not like radical change."

    Start button, for example. My beef is not just that it's gone. It could have been replaced with something else that wasn't Metro, and I could have said that the replacement works much better. But with 8, what the Start button was replaced with is what bothers me. A lot of 8 lovers, despite being told over and over and over, simply don't understand this.

    The cell phone was a radical change from a land line phone in your house.
    The smart phone was a radical change from the common cell phone.
    The iPad was a radical change from, say, laptops.
    The jet engine was a radical change from a prop plane.
    A prop plane was a radical change from cars.
    A car was a radical change from a horse.

    On and on. If the change serves a practical purpose, I'm all for it, and it is a fact that most people are the same way - even the ones who are perceived to be nothing but stubborn mules. Otherwise the entire human race would have never left the stone age. It should be just as obvious 8 isn't getting the same warm welcome 7 had at this comparable point. That's not the same as saying 8 will be a bust. A lot of people like 8. But even a bunch of 8 users are using it only after they bypass the Metro stuff. Over in 7 Forums, you can read a lot of super expert computer people who don't want anything to do with 8, or only if Metro is dumped so they can work with the rest of the OS. They are anything but change haters and it's yet another example of how this anti-change argument isn't well thought out.
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  5. #25


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    The fear of change thing win8 lovers keep trotting out is complete bull.
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    The fear of change thing win8 lovers keep trotting out is complete bull.
    Yes, of course correct.

    I would love to be challenged by an interface and system that baffled me continuously, but actually was well thought out and designed by brilliance.

    I'd sit at my pc for hours or days on end until I learned it and be thankful.

    I'm not thankful for 8.
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  7. #27


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    @ Colonel Travis, SIW2 & Kernel last 3 posts:

    Are we the last voice of reason, or the "Last Post"? In the tradition of the Star Spangled Banner:

    "And the rocket's red glare, the bomb bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night, that our flag, (legacy start menu & GUI), was still there!"

    In the face of adversity and empty clamor, reason and common sense will ultimately prevail.
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    Oh yeah, I forgot...

    It really needs a utility so that you can change the start screen picture to something that you actually like and want to use rather than that crap that they provided out of the box.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    I have looked at the help screens and they seem fairly useful.
    Windows is so easy to use, some of this stuff requires no thought.
    They can never replace a 900 page Microsoft PRESS Administrators Book or Windows 8 for Dummies.
    OMG! I am not going to start being critical of the help files now!
    In all previous versions that I can remember, MS had a welcome tutorial that ran automatically.
    You needed to disable it to get rid of it.
    That's one of the first things I always got rid of first.

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    You always see a Getting Started screen of a different type since the Legacy days you simply uncheck to prevent from starting up with Windows for the basic intros. With any retail purchase a book or booklet is included in the retail package. Help file are most for quick reference and not intended as tutorials.
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  10. #30


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Yeah, but the video dude was flummoxed. Not knowing about F1 or winkey = not good. There will always be severe opponents to metro 8UI. The intensity and hard core rigid disdain of Microsoft's new product is obvious.

    To improve 8 is a monumental topic that could take years of discussion. No metro, a start button, more game support, better app features, less installation woes, etc... the list is endless...

    Who labeled this as a tutorial?
    The author of the article is a feverish critic of 8.
    The article "Windows 8 Tutorial is a joke"

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    Last edited by mdmd; 28 Aug 2012 at 21:47.
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