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Dear readers: How would you change or improve Windows 8?

  1. #11


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Metro, I can live with.

    But I want my Aero back!

    I hate the flat, plain, no-transparency look.

    **Sits in corner and sulks**

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  2. #12


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    And even after Chris' father struggled with Windows 8, in the end when asked if he would buy a Windows 8 tablet he said if it was the same price as the iPad he would.
    A lot of Metro haters (me included) would agree. That's the point - the problem with 8 isn't tablets.
    Well in a sense it is. W8 offers a Tablet PC type touchscreen gui as a desktop OS which will simply baffle any novice user as well as trip the advanced while the advanced will put more effort in to find out where things are.

    The best of that report is summed up in one paragraph.

    Yet many customers are wary over purchasing licenses or upgrading to Windows 8 in fear that the new interface is too confusing. That's the crux of the matter: people like to know where things are and on the most part do not like radical change.
    The link leading off from that one to another blog makes the MS tutorial for 8 into a joke!

    Imagine my surprise when I first booted up the final Windows 8 code onto a system to find that the tutorial led with this:



    That's it. No explanation of where the Start Menu has gone and what replaces it, no tips on using the new Start Screen, and no tips on using Metro -- sorry, I mean Windows 8 style apps.


    "Move your mouse into any corner". That's it.

    That was from the report seen at The Windows 8 'tutorial' is a joke | ZDNet
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  3. #13


    A longer, more in-depth how to use the new interface tutorial.
    Ability to make Metro start screen optional.
    Ability to have a more classic start menu.
    Ability to install and customize and then make a remastered ISO of your system the way you have it.
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  4. #14


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    Windows 8


    they still should've left the start button on the taskbar like it was in the dp instead of having to try and find it.

    Just watched the video of that guy trying to use windows 8
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  5. #15


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    If you watch the video you will know Chris Dad is not a complete newbie.

    He has been using pc's for basic tasks for a long while.

    I think it is represenatative of a very large number of potential customers.

    MS have now pinned IE and Explorer to the desktop taskbar - to stop millions of users getting completely trapped.

    They were likely planning to do that anyway - it is inconceivable they would have released it as it was then.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    The video was hilarious, awkward, and like the quote, painful to watch.
    It was an unfair test case - my mother could not identify what a mouse is.
    She has no idea what LCD means. My father has a problem with left and right clicks.
    Is their vision impaired? Do they have arthritis?
    Neither know what a WinKey is. It was funny when he said, "where's the thing with all the square blocks"
    "There's supposed to be a menu or something in the corner over there !" LOL
    It was a chuckle. Do the same with a 23 year old... or a 14 year old, or a 39 year old...
    Some people need a few kind hints to get going. It was a funny though ... LOL
    Where is this thread going?
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  6. #16


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    I have seen young people fiddling around with the metro with a view of total repulsion. They think the metro is stupid. You tube is littered with all kinds of comedy about the metro.
    So the common typical user can't figure it out.
    It's way too complicated, counter intuitive, unfriendly, ugly, useless.
    Hey, I don't work for MS. I just live here.

    Putting the mouse into any corner, I think, really does help.
    In the video, the user was trying to find the start menu from inside the system tray.
    Does not really look like a person who knows what he is doing.
    The video person did not touch the Winkey.

    I disagree that it is a joke. It does not seem all that complicated to me to go to the right top or bottom corner
    (as described in the pic) to get most of the controls needed for typical use, especially the start from the charms bar.
    It's right there, center right.

    Right clicking the bottom left or win X is more for users that have some idea of what they are doing.

    For most common typical users, this new thing might be a joke,
    it is and will be a mess,
    but it will not take long to get used to it.

    Then everyone will be showing everyone else how to use it.
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    If you watch the video you will know Chris Dad is not a complete newbie.

    He has been using pc's for basic tasks for a long while.

    I think it is represenatative of a very large number of potential customers.

    MS have now pinned IE and Explorer to the desktop taskbar - to stop millions of users getting completely trapped.

    They were likely planning to do that anyway - it is inconceivable they would have released it as it was then.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    The video was hilarious, awkward, and like the quote, painful to watch.
    It was an unfair test case - my mother could not identify what a mouse is.
    She has no idea what LCD means. My father has a problem with left and right clicks.
    Is their vision impaired? Do they have arthritis?
    Neither know what a WinKey is. It was funny when he said, "where's the thing with all the square blocks"
    "There's supposed to be a menu or something in the corner over there !" LOL
    It was a chuckle. Do the same with a 23 year old... or a 14 year old, or a 39 year old...
    Some people need a few kind hints to get going. It was a funny though ... LOL
    Where is this thread going?
    I think that will be the majority that will find 8 to be an awkward piece of work! As far as the IE and WE icons pinned by default to the taskbar that was introduced with 7. XP and Vista previously saw the Quick Launch bar option.

    Pinning things to the taskbar and gadgets on the desktop instead of the cumbersome side bar Vista saw. What 8 is bringing in however is far more tedious leaving the typical user stumped at first sight!

    As far as the Start screen appearing at startup and then suddenly no longer being seen that suggests after so many startups the Start screen no longer auto loads with Windows like it has a counter set to limit it to a certain number until the new 8 user is familiar with how to bring it up again. This is something automatic rather then MS seeing the need to add in a disable option.

    The real annoyance besides getting a few 3rd party tweaks on like Classic Shell however is how the main settings are torn up with only some Control Panel items found in the right click menu in the Start screen corner. Some others are to be found when exploring the Charms bar for Settings and Apps. And then you are lost from there on unless having the CP displayed in the WE window along with all the drives!

    The video plainly shows the average dumb foundedness many will find stifling when trying to figure out how things work. While most will be able to locate the various things 8 will be bringing in the entire layout is typical of someone having a bad pc dream!
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  8. #18


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    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    The major issue with Windows 8 is the lack of tutorial. Sure, it's different but if there was a proper tutorial showing more details of the ins and outs of navigating Windows 8 users wouldn't get frustrated. Moving your mouse to a corner is a small part of what's new, there should be a tile on the Start Screen that when clicked links to tutorial videos online. Or better yet, there should be an App on the Start Screen that users can access that explains everything to the user.
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  9. #19


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    There are tutorials from various sources - F1 key (desktop) and others.
    The problem is, many people don't like to read, have little comprehension, are too impatient, and get easily frustrated. Some expect the experience to be effortless or they get emotional.

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  10. #20


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    There are tutorials from various sources - F1 key (desktop) and others.
    The problem is, many people don't like to read, have little comprehension, are too impatient, and get easily frustrated. Some expect the experience to be effortless or they get emotional.
    Common sense doesn't seem to be natural for a majority of people, most want something in front of their face so that it is obvious. It's just like the ridiculous complaints in many tech blogs about launching Windows 8 for the first time and having no instruction what to do next so they stare at the screen. Yet you put a 5 year old in front of it and the first thing they'll do is either click the mouse or touch a key.
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