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Dear readers: How would you change or improve Windows 8?

  1. #91


    We all know installing standard apps like adobe CS6 (the whole package) creates zillions of useless tiles - and I think we've all agreed on these forums that installing "Classical Windows apps" on W8 needs a whole radical re-think by MS
    This is quite a problem. Tiles do become quite a mess as time goes on. Some of my forum friends and I are coming up with a sticky thread soon with suggested steps for installing and setting up 8.

    One is to shuffle the tiles in desired groups and name them straightway after installing. That way when one installs more apps or legacy programs those new tiles are added to the end of the Start Screen where they are easily accessed to work with to name, shuffle, unpin, etc.

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  2. #92


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    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    We all know installing standard apps like adobe CS6 (the whole package) creates zillions of useless tiles - and I think we've all agreed on these forums that installing "Classical Windows apps" on W8 needs a whole radical re-think by MS
    This is quite a problem. Tiles do become quite a mess as time goes on. Some of my forum friends and I are coming up with a sticky thread soon with suggested steps for installing and setting up 8.
    This is only going to be a temporary problem, once the legacy applications start getting updates and they design for W8 the installers will be updated to address the messy icons at installation time.

    Great post BTW. One point I want to make in regards to Apps and App Store. It's not only Microsoft getting into the App scene but users have come to expect it, you cannot have a tablet without the ecosystem that includes Apps regardless if certain users here don't buy into it. However, this shouldn't even be an issue because they are completely optional for any user.
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  3. #93


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    We all know installing standard apps like adobe CS6 (the whole package) creates zillions of useless tiles - and I think we've all agreed on these forums that installing "Classical Windows apps" on W8 needs a whole radical re-think by MS
    This is quite a problem. Tiles do become quite a mess as time goes on. Some of my forum friends and I are coming up with a sticky thread soon with suggested steps for installing and setting up 8.
    This is only going to be a temporary problem, once the legacy applications start getting updates and they design for W8 the installers will be updated to address the messy icons at installation time.

    Great post BTW. One point I want to make in regards to Apps and App Store. It's not only Microsoft getting into the App scene but users have come to expect it, you cannot have a tablet without the ecosystem that includes Apps regardless if certain users here don't buy into it. However, this shouldn't even be an issue because they are completely optional for any user.
    I think you're correct on the tiles. It's a transition period here.

    Thanks for the compliment. App stores are nothing new. Google, iMe, and others have one. I say it's about time MS finally woke up to it. And no, no one forces anyone to buy anything. It's continues to be a free enterprise system.
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  4. #94


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    @ Night Hawk. I'd quote you, but with my post it would be quite lengthy as you will see. Good post BTW.

    First off, thanks for answering me on the "Microsoft’s biggest ever flop" thread.

    Wasn’t certain media programs left out because of copyright and/or the licensing issues? Digital rights management comes into mind for some reason. I’m not sure on the subject.

    I subscribe to this thread and see you members posting about Linux and Mac OSs, of which I don't know anything about other than they exist. You Pros and even long time power users probably know more about technicalities of computing than I probably ever will. Most of you have degrees, of which I do not.

    However, I do know some things about business, for I’ve owned a building business for quite some time. I do not have a business degree either, but am self-taught and through experience of hard knocks. I was doing OK until the housing crash. Still make a decent living at it, though.
    MS decided to "cut corners" on things with 8 like paying out for the codecs used with WMP from 3rd party sources as well as seeing Media Center turned into a separate app you buy at their new "Modern" apps store. MS dumped the Metro term which amounted to one of their code names like Lohn Horn was to Vista and apparently according to the "grapevine" Modern will be the actual name.

    With things MS considered unneccesary removed you will notice the AnytimeUpgrade for 8 will be lowered way down to only $40US! With 7 the Family Pack saw 3 Home Premium disk sets with 3 keys for $150 over the full version's price tag of $119.99US at the time when 7 was then saw a preorder option available to reserve prior to the Oct. 22, 2009 launch date.

    As far as the other OSs I have never actually ran anything from the Fruit company as I call that one while I have looked at several Linux flavors as well as Open Solaris. As far as being a Linux geek however I leave that for someone else!

    The versatility of a select number of distros however when booted live can serve as a data recovery option from cd, dvd, flash drive, or even custom install of several distros to a flash drive. The live boot can access the various OS platforms including Fat and NTFS when your Windows installation won't start up and you might need to get at files like work or school docs in a hurry.

    The other option of course is for rescuing files from a drive on a machine hit with a malware or drive is failing which of course can also prevent Windows from loading up. So the other OS can still have a purpose besides simply being another OS. Not all of the knowledge is from books issued when in school however. Each person has their own personal level of experience(s) with OSs and hardwares as time goes on.

    Ironic my father's uncle built a business where he lived mainly cedar fencing but never had the opportunity to see what any smart phone looked like! The internet wasn't even started like it is now. Just a few short years later the doors opened up for everything.
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  5. #95


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    New Users


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    We all have problems with W8 as PREVIOUS users of windows -- but what about the NEW lot who've never used Windows before and don't have any previous experience to go by.
    Agreed.

    The same thing applies to Linux distros and Mac OSX too.
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  6. #96


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    You could say the same for Vista when Aero was first seen but not anywhere to the degree 8 has taken! At least you could say the transition from Windows 3.1 to 95 was progressive while 8 comes on like some other Tablet OS and no so user friendly on the desktop.
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  7. #97


    Ohio
    Posts : 473
    Windows 8 Pro


    I would have them include Outlook Express for email. I used to like it in Win XP and can't understand why they removed it.
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  8. #98


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Frank1 View Post
    I would have them include Outlook Express for email. I used to like it in Win XP and can't understand why they removed it.
    I belong to a world wide self-help fellowship with over a million members; and install/repair Windows/PCs gratis, as a hobby, for members in my area. And many, many persons whom I've done work for, have said exactly the same thing about Outlook Express.

    However, one feature of WinLiveMail which I personally prefer is having contacts stored in User > Contacts folder as .contact type files, rather than the address book of OE. For purposes of backup they can be saved in a normal folder format, and edited/deleted in that folder. They can be imported to WLM contacts very easily, and can be synced online if WLM is set to logon to Windows Live at starrtup.

    WLM is also handy for forwarding large numbers of photos as thumbnails, which would normally make the email too big. The actual photos are uploaded to WinLive cloud storage, and the receiver can preview the thumbnails, and only download the preferred selection.

    One disadvantage of WLM is you can't format the background with sound/color/picture.
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  9. #99


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Frank1 View Post
    I would have them include Outlook Express for email. I used to like it in Win XP and can't understand why they removed it.
    I belong to a world wide self-help fellowship with over a million members; and install/repair Windows/PCs gratis, as a hobby, for members in my area. And many, many persons whom I've done work for, have said exactly the same thing about Outlook Express.

    However, one feature of WinLiveMail which I personally prefer is having contacts stored in User > Contacts folder as .contact type files, rather than the address book of OE. For purposes of backup they can be saved in a normal folder format, and edited/deleted in that folder. They can be imported to WLM contacts very easily, and can be synced online if WLM is set to logon to Windows Live at starrtup.

    WLM is also handy for forwarding large numbers of photos as thumbnails, which would normally make the email too big. The actual photos are uploaded to WinLive cloud storage, and the receiver can preview the thumbnails, and only download the preferred selection.

    One disadvantage of WLM is you can't format the background with sound/color/picture.
    I agree with both of you. Each had their pros and cons. I moved onto WLM when introduced. I tried to implement it in 8, but to no avail. The 8 Mail app stinks and has a very long way to go so to compare with those two. I still use WLM on my 7 side.

    I have a Live account, which is now part of one's MS account. I'll try Outlook.com to see how that is.
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    At one time I would have had to have OE due to the old dsl service where you saw the ISP assigned user name and password. Windows Mail could be made available in 7 from Vista while 8?

    8 is going to be a different ball game with WLM going the way of the dinosaurs to be replaced by the outlook.com. The Live Essentials and all that will become a thing of the past while those already with WLM accounts will still be able to hold onto them. Just like the gui MS is making a change there too.
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