Can Microsoft Fail?

In anticipation of the Windows 8 release, there has been speculation on Microsoft's future. Will the company break out of its slump? Will it get a new image? How will Windows 8 do? What if nobody likes it? What happens next?

Let's get a few things straight. Even if Windows 8 is a huge dog and bombs the way Vista did, it will not matter. There is still nothing out there that can take Microsoft out of the game. Apple has the only other quality operating system out there, and it is proprietary and still more expensive. Money and cost are important.

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There was a Microsoft VCR?!

I really doubt Windows 8 or Microsoft will fail. People can adapt to UI changes, but can't adapt to inept performance like vista.
 

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People (especially IT people, who are the ones complaining about change the most after 17 years of basically static UIs) can adapt to change, but Microsoft has realized that drivers and hardware partners are just as much a part of a product like Windows' success as the software itself. It's probably part of the reason something like Surface even exists - give the OEMs and vendors a swift kick in the rear to stop making cookie-cutter crap (and crapware, I suppose).
 

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MS is trying to get a slice of the Tablet and Phone market which has a lot of growth potential so they came up with Windows 8. For the PC a lot of people will buy Windows 8 but those that don't will buy Windows 7. Either way MS makes money.

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Stumble maybe, fail as a company, I doubt it. People can adapt to inept UI changes, if forced to. :p Or Microsoft might adapt and produce an OS that's more suited and usable on all types of computing devices, not just touch devices. They've put out duds before and recovered. And before everybody starts ranting at me for the "forced" comment I'll just say this. Sooner or latter that new computing device that you buy that runs a Microsoft OS, is going to come with Windows 8 preinstalled. Most people aren't going to know you can, or even think about downgrading to Windows 7 until they get the thing home and try to use it. Right about then I expect things to pick up around here with the same questions asked ad nauseam. Some will get it some won't. I like Windows 7, its a great OS, but there is always room for improvement. I just don't like the way Windows 8 is headed, and I don't think I'm alone. Only time will tell.
 

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I don't forsee everybody liking the design changes of Windows 8, but I don't see these people being so unhappy with the change that they jump ship and go elsewhere. They will simply deal with and grumble every now and again.
 

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In my view, win8 is far worse than Vista.

Mr Ballmer is not expecting it to be any more popular than Vista was.

It doesn't matter - it will get them a toehold in the small device things.

That is better than they had in that area before - simply because they had nothing to offer there before. That is all they care about atm.

They can afford to have an unpopular one now.
 

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They do seem to be fixated on Tablets. I never used Vista so I can't comment on that. Vista and ME are probably the only two I never used on my own personal PC's. With all the price cuts and EULA rewrites it does seem like they are worried it won't sell as a standalone product. With Windows 7 being the new XP, it very well could be a tough job to upsell Windows 8 to those users. I have two desktop PC's and one laptop running Windows 7. At best I might upgrade my main PC to windows 8. I've been using it as my main OS on that PC and waiting for it to win me over. It hasn't happened. If it crashed right now and I had to go back to windows 7 it would be no big deal and I wouldn't loose any sleep over it. The only thing that has me even considering it, is the $40 upgrade offer. If I can buy one and save it for a future build I might byte. Otherwise I'll likely pass.
 

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Microsoft failing as a going concern. No, not in the foreseable future. They have monopoly on the Windows(TM) compatible OS business. No other commercial company is offering a concurent Windows compatible OS. That means Microsoft can afford several blunders in a row with its main OS product and still make money.
pparks said:
I don't forsee everybody liking the design changes of Windows 8, but I don't see these people being so unhappy with the change that they jump ship and go elsewhere.
Now the question will Microsoft lose popularity because of W8? The answer is: It already has. Until now they didn't care of the bad comments and recommandations because they consider those who wrote them as exentric geeks, not the normal users from their telemetry. But they won't be that smug when average joes start complaining too. And then we talk about millions of poeple complaining.
Coke said:
I really doubt Windows 8 or Microsoft will fail. People can adapt to UI changes, but can't adapt to inept performance like vista.
The failure at Redmond is that they don't seem to understand that it's not the poeple that should adapt to Microsoft but Microsoft that should adapt to the poeple. Microsoft has proven in the last months when W8 was previewed, that they are unable to listen to criticism, unable to fix what everybody says it doesn't work, unable to show flexibility, unable to act according to responses on their blog. Even worse: They take a radical policy, refusing totaly to question certain things. Customer relations is taking a huge hit as we speak. They just don't realize that yet. A corporate leadership which shows such a level of stubborness and arrogance is not good for the future of a company. The "we know better than you" attitude is not what will earn them respect.
 

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Now the question will Microsoft lose popularity because of W8? The answer is: It already has. Until now they didn't care of the bad comments and recommandations because they consider those who wrote them as exentric geeks, not the normal users from their telemetry. But they won't be that smug when average joes start complaining too. And then we talk about millions of poeple complaining.
I don't think it matters. They had people who were mad with ME, they had people who were mad with Vista. So, for those who were irritated with Vista, they just stayed on XP. Some jumped to 7 when 7 came out. Very few people left MS altogether because of it. Didn't happen then, won't happen now.
 

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I dunno, this is orders of magnitude worse. They basically changed the entire OS interface (as far as it looks on the surface). If Microsoft had licensed Mac OS and called it Windows 8 it would have been less of a jarring experience. The changes and problems with ME and Vista pale in comparison. Vista was really only slightly problematic, it got 10x the bad press that it deserved, that's how things go these days. What if we have a release that truly deserves that amount of bad press? It'll get 10x the bad press and bad user response that Vista did, that's what! How much is too much?

MS managed to push though the Vista press, it had decent enough sales though unspectacular.... How Windows 8 does is anyones guess, but now serving up a REAL excuse to be put off by a Windows upgrade... that's relatively new. Not since Windows 3.1->95, but in that case virtually everything about 95 was demonstrably better, even if "different". Metro is far from that case :(
 

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I dunno, this is orders of magnitude worse. They basically changed the entire OS interface (as far as it looks on the surface). If Microsoft had licensed Mac OS and called it Windows 8 it would have been less of a jarring experience.
I don't know if I would go that far. They radically changed the start interface and the start screen. The regular desktop looks like normal (of course, with the exception of the start button).


It'll get 10x the bad press and bad user response that Vista did, that's what! How much is too much?
I don't know, Vista came out of the gate pretty badly and ran very poorly. This OS runs good, it just looks strange and the UI on the start screen is likely going to be a make it or break it.
 

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The failure at Redmond is that they don't seem to understand that it's not the poeple that should adapt to Microsoft but Microsoft that should adapt to the poeple. Microsoft has proven in the last months when W8 was previewed, that they are unable to listen to criticism, unable to fix what everybody says it doesn't work, unable to show flexibility, unable to act according to responses on their blog. Even worse: They take a radical policy, refusing totaly to question certain things.

It reminds me of the "RTFM" attitude displayed on some Linux forums. ;)

MS, "We're not wrong. It's the World that's wrong."

I don't think it matters. They had people who were mad with ME, they had people who were mad with Vista. So, for those who were irritated with Vista, they just stayed on XP. Some jumped to 7 when 7 came out. Very few people left MS altogether because of it. Didn't happen then, won't happen now.

Still, people refusing to buy the new OS means that MS loses money.
 

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Not really.

MS have decided they must get some percentage of the mobile market - and they must do it now.

That is the priority.

If they get a few per cent of tablet market, they will be Happy.

They know many desktop users will stick with xp or seven and give this one a miss.

To try and get some of them on board and for initial momentum in the sales figures, MS are doing the give away $40 deal.

That is the plan.
 

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MS has the perfect opportunity. Once you understand 8 is made for tablets, and Windows 7 is still going strong, it is the perfect time to get it out there. Actually, it is far past time, but they are smart to get in late, rather then never. If they had just said "we are coming out with a new mobile OS", there wouldn't be all the hoopla. They have 7 for the long term, and now they have a mobile OS. If perople want it on their desktops and laptops, that is a bonus. I think we've all seen this, and the underlying improvements bodes well for 9...assuming they don't plan on keeping up with the GUI path set out with 8. A Guy
 

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MS has the perfect opportunity. Once you understand 8 is made for tablets, and Windows 7 is still going strong, it is the perfect time to get it out there. Actually, it is far past time, but they are smart to get in late, rather then never. If they had just said "we are coming out with a new mobile OS", there wouldn't be all the hoopla. They have 7 for the long term, and now they have a mobile OS. If perople want it on their desktops and laptops, that is a bonus. I think we've all seen this, and the underlying improvements bodes well for 9...assuming they don't plan on keeping up with the GUI path set out with 8. A Guy

That's exactly right and it's clearly the strategy Microsoft has presented. Yet we have tech bloggers and power users that are turning this around saying how it will fail for desktop and enterprise meanwhile they've never been the target.
 

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8 runs great...it feels faster than 7... it boots incredibly faster. no delays or anything... 7 booted in 52 secs on my laptop... this one boots in 21s. That is really fast and I like it.

There are many things for the geeks (anyone seen the task manager?) and as simple as a mobile OS. Most people will not get out of the start screen and I believe its a good HOME/Lockscreen. You have pretty much all your info at a glance.

Look at how Apple is adding a LOT of their mobile stuff to Mountain Lion and I don't see but praises to them. MS does it fully and get bad press for a UI Change? There are many things better than 7 and I am NOT going back. I do have a few quirks and the main one is that it's hard to find the desktop programs once they are installed as there is no start menu to look for them and forces you to use the file manager to find them. Although is not that bad since most of them will add a quicklaunch button and I added that as I always have.

In the end they have NOT removed any functionality from the OS, they just added a simple layer of "webapps" or widgets that have their own layer and are NOT in the way or inaccessible in a cumbersome way. The start button can/is serving as a switcher between the start screen and the desktop and things are overlayed quite nice instead of the nagging pop ups. Honestly... The good outweighs the bad, but since people dislike change and learning a few things new, well... They will complain.

If people give it an honest try and a try to try to learn it, and learn it well they will end up liking it. They will give an honest feedback that will drive the product better than what it is.

For instance. it is the first time in a long time that I have been using IE in a long time, specially when I am in metro-mode and since it displays the webpage in full screen from the start with a flowing interface I find myself using it a lot more than what I have ever used internet explorer since version 5 at the U. That is a good sign for MS/IE and many others.

Hopefully with each update it will get better and maybe SP1 will bring big enhancements like xp did with sp2 etc etc etc.

People are not seeing it, but for me, Metro is a Media Center approach to the start menu.... Metro is just now a full screen start menu with lots of functionality.
 

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pparks said:
They had people who were mad with ME, they had people who were mad with Vista. So, for those who were irritated with Vista, they just stayed on XP. Some jumped to 7 when 7 came out. Very few people left MS altogether because of it. Didn't happen then, won't happen now.
No the probloem with come with new computer preinstalled with W8. In these cases poeple don't hae the choice of staying with W7. But some will come back to the store and ask for a refund.
FSeal said:
The changes and problems with ME and Vista pale in comparison
Totaly different issues in fact. ME and Vista had technical problems while W8 has a UI concept problem (a phylosophic one I daresay!)
RoBR said:
A Guy said:
MS has the perfect opportunity. Once you understand 8 is made for tablets, and Windows 7 is still going strong, it is the perfect time to get it out there. Actually, it is far past time, but they are smart to get in late, rather then never. If they had just said "we are coming out with a new mobile OS", there wouldn't be all the hoopla. They have 7 for the long term, and now they have a mobile OS. If perople want it on their desktops and laptops, that is a bonus. I think we've all seen this, and the underlying improvements bodes well for 9...assuming they don't plan on keeping up with the GUI path set out with 8. A Guy
That's exactly right and it's clearly the strategy Microsoft has presented. Yet we have tech bloggers and power users that are turning this around saying how it will fail for desktop and enterprise meanwhile they've never been the target.
No I disagree! MS always made abundantly clear that they wanted all desktops displays to look like your cellphone display, and that it is the revolution of the century. They do target all PC's. The fact is not that you install w8 as an otpion to enjoy Metro. The fact is that you have no option to turn Metro off if your PC comes preinstalled with W8. How that will improve their market shares for tablets, I don't know.
Highlander said:
For instance. it is the first time in a long time that I have been using IE in a long time, specially when I am in metro-mode and since it displays the webpage in full screen from the start with a flowing interface I find myself using it a lot more than what I have ever used internet explorer since version 5 at the U. That is a good sign for MS/IE and many others.
Yeah it's a good sign that MS made IE non resizable and not minimizable. Something that you can get in every FULL SCREEN browsers since IE 4 by pressing the F11 key. LOL. :barf:
 

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Yeah it's a good sign that MS made IE non resizable and not minimizable. Something that you can get in every FULL SCREEN browsers since IE 4 by pressing the F11 key. LOL. :barf:

IE10 on the desktop is still resizable and minimizable, if your preference is not Metro IE then don't use it. You complain that you have no options in Windows 8 but then when there are you still complain.
 

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No I don't complain about IE10. I complain that some poeple present the full screen display in IE10 as something kind of new and one reason to like Metro. I do appreciate full screen browsers but don't tell me it's a new feature. Press F11 if don't know what I mean! Regards. ;)
 

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