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Windows 8 Pro tablets: Not a good laptop replacement

  1. #11


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    There is a certain irony in that it appears that people who hang out in a Windows 8 forum seem to 1) be most inclined to regularly bash the product, and 2) be poster children for those who have been left behind as technology has moved forward. Tablets are no longer just something trendy (i.e., a fad) and lots of people really do use them as a primary machine albeit not their only machine. In the past year I have seen tablets come closer and closer to matching the number of laptops in Phoenix internet cafes. Likewise, I see more and more people carrying one or another tablet (usually an iPad) in airports and on planes. As much as I dislike Apple, I must admit that the iPad is the first device I have seen the genuinely cross-cuts age, gender, and socio-economic groups. As far as whether a Windows 8 tablet will be a good replacement remains to be seen. As it stands though, here is something to consider. If you hand the average person a device that can do email and web browsing and includes a version of Office, that pretty much covers what they will do in a day. Keep a full featured laptop or desktop for heavier applications and things are covered.

    If Photoshop Touch and Adobe Ideas (a substitute of sorts for Illustrator) are released for Windows RT and are more feature complete; Autodesk releases a version of AutoCAD WS; some ESRI compatible viewers/editors for GIS shapefiles make an appearance; and key Office apps are available; I could make it through much of the average day with a tablet. This is even more feasible with a tablet that has a keyboard cover. As it stands, I know people who were barely able to transition from a desktop to a laptop; can't grasp the concept of a smart phone; and speak fondly of WordPerfect 5.1 and DOS; who have expressed an interest in tablets in general and are very interested in seeing the two lines of Windows 8 tablets. People really need to pull their heads out of the sand and realize that they are now the equivalent of ones who decried having to shift to Windows 3.X

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by swyost View Post
    There is a certain irony in that it appears that people who hang out in a Windows 8 forum seem to 1) be most inclined to regularly bash the product, and 2) be poster children for those who have been left behind as technology has moved forward. Tablets are no longer just something trendy (i.e., a fad) and lots of people really do use them as a primary machine albeit not their only machine. In the past year I have seen tablets come closer and closer to matching the number of laptops in Phoenix internet cafes.
    Just because we are on a Windows forum, doesn't necessarily mean that we are fanboys who are going to praise every move made by Redmond.

    I don't feel I am being left behind as technology has moved forward. I have used practically every tablet in existence (ipad, iped, samsung galaxy (7 and 10), Motorola Xoom, Blackberry Playbook, Asus Transformer, and Kindle fire and I happen to own the Asus Transformer. After using all of them, none of them are very conducive to my use of computers at all. There is absolutely no way I would even attempt this post on my tablet. It would take me 20x longer than it's going to take me with my laptop.

    Tablets are trendy. People buy them because other people have them. iPad's are cool. People want to be cool. The iPad has great app support. It's like a phone, but with a bigger screen and larger keyboard...what's not to like. My dad carries his Kindle Fire with him everywhere he goes....I don't actually know why...but he's always got it.

    Quote Originally Posted by swyost View Post
    If Photoshop Touch and Adobe Ideas (a substitute of sorts for Illustrator) are released for Windows RT and are more feature complete; Autodesk releases a version of AutoCAD WS; some ESRI compatible viewers/editors for GIS shapefiles make an appearance; and key Office apps are available; I could make it through much of the average day with a tablet.
    Do you currently not use multiple monitors or multi-task? How productive can you be when you can only have 1 app open full screen at all times? I simply don't understand how that would be beneficial to productivity. Those apps mentioned seem to be more powerhouse style apps which would be ideally multi-tasked....they aren't just your typical suitable for a tablet content consumption apps.

    Quote Originally Posted by swyost View Post
    People really need to pull their heads out of the sand and realize that they are now the equivalent of ones who decried having to shift to Windows 3.X
    And I would maintain that others need to understand that many of us have drastically different usage cases for our computing needs. My dad surfs the internet and clicks on things and reads stories. Tablet works fine for him. I spend "most" of my time on forums "typing". Even a tablet with a physical keyboard might be challenging to use, sitting in my chair as i am now in my living room. I could tell you all day long that a hybrid car is the way of the future, but if you own a 32 foot fifthwheel and spend your summers camping....I don't think any mass shift towards a Toyota Prius is going to persuade you to trade in your pickup truck anytime soon.
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  3. #13


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    Even light users will eventually realize that trying to type e mail or anything productive is very frustrating and annoying on a tablet. Not only that the value for the dollar of a tablet vs the average netbook is HORRIBLE.

    It is all about marketing trying to make it trendy. Trendy it might be..... practical, logical, and economically intelligent? NOPE!
    Disagree.
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  4. #14


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by swyost View Post
    There is a certain irony in that it appears that people who hang out in a Windows 8 forum seem to 1) be most inclined to regularly bash the product, and 2) be poster children for those who have been left behind as technology has moved forward. Tablets are no longer just something trendy (i.e., a fad) and lots of people really do use them as a primary machine albeit not their only machine. In the past year I have seen tablets come closer and closer to matching the number of laptops in Phoenix internet cafes. Likewise, I see more and more people carrying one or another tablet (usually an iPad) in airports and on planes. As much as I dislike Apple, I must admit that the iPad is the first device I have seen the genuinely cross-cuts age, gender, and socio-economic groups. As far as whether a Windows 8 tablet will be a good replacement remains to be seen. As it stands though, here is something to consider. If you hand the average person a device that can do email and web browsing and includes a version of Office, that pretty much covers what they will do in a day. Keep a full featured laptop or desktop for heavier applications and things are covered.

    If Photoshop Touch and Adobe Ideas (a substitute of sorts for Illustrator) are released for Windows RT and are more feature complete; Autodesk releases a version of AutoCAD WS; some ESRI compatible viewers/editors for GIS shapefiles make an appearance; and key Office apps are available; I could make it through much of the average day with a tablet. This is even more feasible with a tablet that has a keyboard cover. As it stands, I know people who were barely able to transition from a desktop to a laptop; can't grasp the concept of a smart phone; and speak fondly of WordPerfect 5.1 and DOS; who have expressed an interest in tablets in general and are very interested in seeing the two lines of Windows 8 tablets. People really need to pull their heads out of the sand and realize that they are now the equivalent of ones who decried having to shift to Windows 3.X

    Honestly, the new radial menu in the OneNote metro app is BY FAR the best touch based UI control I've ever laid eyes on. It's absolutely perfect and it might become a good template for developers to use, much like the Ribbon UI has become in recent years.
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  5. #15


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by swyost View Post
    There is a certain irony in that it appears that people who hang out in a Windows 8 forum seem to 1) be most inclined to regularly bash the product, and 2) be poster children for those who have been left behind as technology has moved forward. Tablets are no longer just something trendy (i.e., a fad) and lots of people really do use them as a primary machine albeit not their only machine. In the past year I have seen tablets come closer and closer to matching the number of laptops in Phoenix internet cafes.
    Just because we are on a Windows forum, doesn't necessarily mean that we are fanboys who are going to praise every move made by Redmond.

    I don't feel I am being left behind as technology has moved forward. I have used practically every tablet in existence (ipad, iped, samsung galaxy (7 and 10), Motorola Xoom, Blackberry Playbook, Asus Transformer, and Kindle fire and I happen to own the Asus Transformer. After using all of them, none of them are very conducive to my use of computers at all. There is absolutely no way I would even attempt this post on my tablet. It would take me 20x longer than it's going to take me with my laptop.

    Tablets are trendy. People buy them because other people have them. iPad's are cool. People want to be cool. The iPad has great app support. It's like a phone, but with a bigger screen and larger keyboard...what's not to like. My dad carries his Kindle Fire with him everywhere he goes....I don't actually know why...but he's always got it.

    Quote Originally Posted by swyost View Post
    If Photoshop Touch and Adobe Ideas (a substitute of sorts for Illustrator) are released for Windows RT and are more feature complete; Autodesk releases a version of AutoCAD WS; some ESRI compatible viewers/editors for GIS shapefiles make an appearance; and key Office apps are available; I could make it through much of the average day with a tablet.
    Do you currently not use multiple monitors or multi-task? How productive can you be when you can only have 1 app open full screen at all times? I simply don't understand how that would be beneficial to productivity. Those apps mentioned seem to be more powerhouse style apps which would be ideally multi-tasked....they aren't just your typical suitable for a tablet content consumption apps.

    Quote Originally Posted by swyost View Post
    People really need to pull their heads out of the sand and realize that they are now the equivalent of ones who decried having to shift to Windows 3.X
    And I would maintain that others need to understand that many of us have drastically different usage cases for our computing needs. My dad surfs the internet and clicks on things and reads stories. Tablet works fine for him. I spend "most" of my time on forums "typing". Even a tablet with a physical keyboard might be challenging to use, sitting in my chair as i am now in my living room. I could tell you all day long that a hybrid car is the way of the future, but if you own a 32 foot fifthwheel and spend your summers camping....I don't think any mass shift towards a Toyota Prius is going to persuade you to trade in your pickup truck anytime soon.
    But have you tried a Windows tablet?! Unfortunately there isn't an emoticon that shows a dramatic finger pointing/finger whip action or otherwise I would had used that. A Windows tablet is different as it's not a phone OS. BIG difference in usage.

    For content creation with touch, different input scenarios require different usage scenarios. For some reason, your comment made me think of a usage scenario with one large touch monitor, almost horizontal but slightly angled running a touch based Photoshop, and along the left and right side of said large touchscreen are two smaller screens, all touch and all with different content with the screens angled a bit up from the large main screen. And also, being able to do hand gestures, grab a file and drop it from one screen/window to the large screen. Immersive? I think I could have a successful career designing PC hardware...

    I prefer hydrogen technology. I bet the main problem is mileage. Or the oil companies.
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  6. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    But have you tried a Windows tablet?! Unfortunately there isn't an emoticon that shows a dramatic finger pointing/finger whip action or otherwise I would had used that. A Windows tablet is different as it's not a phone OS. BIG difference in usage.
    I've used Windows 7 tablets. It's an absolute joy on a website or application trying to click on a dropdown box and make a selection. Typing is super awesome too on a touchscreen keyboard that takes up 30% or more of the screen. Now, granted, I haven't yet used a Windows 8 tablet because they aren't available yet...so maybe things have changed. But I won't tout the second coming of Christ until I use it for myself.
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  7. #17


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    Please don't compare regular use of Windows 8 on a tablet to Windows 7 on a tablet - that's just silly .
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  8. #18


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    1st W10 Professional x64/W7 Ultimate x64 - 2nd Remote system: W10 Insider Builds/W7 Professional


    Apples and oranges are two different things entirely! It actually doesn't matter which hardware platform 7 and 8 or any other version are on. They are still going to be different from each other.
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  9. #19


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    But have you tried a Windows tablet?! Unfortunately there isn't an emoticon that shows a dramatic finger pointing/finger whip action or otherwise I would had used that. A Windows tablet is different as it's not a phone OS. BIG difference in usage.
    I've used Windows 7 tablets. It's an absolute joy on a website or application trying to click on a dropdown box and make a selection. Typing is super awesome too on a touchscreen keyboard that takes up 30% or more of the screen. Now, granted, I haven't yet used a Windows 8 tablet because they aren't available yet...so maybe things have changed. But I won't tout the second coming of Christ until I use it for myself.
    I can say this as the second coming of Jesus Christ but Windows 8 is just FANTASTIC with touch. Highly recommend it if you can get ahold of a touchscreen. Shoot, if you have a USB 3 flash drive with at least 16 gigs of space and a touch AIO PC at best buy that has a USB 3 or eSATA port, go for it. I tried it today on one of their Samsung AIO touch PCs, BLASTED thing didn't install a driver for the touchscreen and NO obvious driver issues and I ended up quitting it as I needed the wifi and using a USB 2 drive is a buttache for display driver installs...
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  10. #20


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    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I don't feel I am being left behind as technology has moved forward. I have used practically every tablet in existence (ipad, iped, samsung galaxy (7 and 10), Motorola Xoom, Blackberry Playbook, Asus Transformer, and Kindle fire and I happen to own the Asus Transformer. After using all of them, none of them are very conducive to my use of computers at all. There is absolutely no way I would even attempt this post on my tablet. It would take me 20x longer than it's going to take me with my laptop.
    I would have to assume you didn't opt for the physical keyboard dock for your Asus Transformer? Otherwise I cannot see how it would take you 20x longer to post on a forum compared to your laptop.
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