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Windows 8 in the Enterprise: Why IT pros say no

  1. #41


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    Running I.T systems like that is really outdated now.

    As I suggested set up a proper VPN then when users boot their PC's they will get the corporate login screen. Enter password and username (What's difficult about that) and then they will get (or should get) a normal work screen with links and applications just like they've always had.

    Saves messing about with User training, maintaining 100's of PC's etc etc.

    If W8 is ever going to enter a workplace it will ONLY be done by users logging in to a VPN presenting them with the standard Work screens and applications.

    If you do this then actually the CLIENT OS is totally irrelevant. Then you don't have to waste valuable time and money on this sort of stuff.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #42


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    I personally don't believe that this version of Windows 8 is intended for a work computer. I have a feeling that Microsoft will also include a professional version of Windows 8. As long as I have been beta testing Windows O/S's there has always been a professional version to accompany the release of a new version of Windows.
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  3. #43


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    I personally don't believe that this version of Windows 8 is intended for a work computer. I have a feeling that Microsoft will also include a professional version of Windows 8. As long as I have been beta testing Windows O/S's there has always been a professional version to accompany the release of a new version of Windows.
    Hi there
    I just don't see W8 ever going anywhere NEAR any serious office either - at least in its current form.

    The Windows to go idea is apparently only going to be available in "Enterprise" version -- but to me this is a 100% misnomer -- no sensible "Enterprise" is going to even THINK of touching W8 with a 7 Km long pole and the people who could get most use out of this feature would be "roving" or external consultants working at different customer sites -- and these people won't have access to W8 "Enterprise".

    The whole Metro idea has to be DROPPED totally for computers used in businesses.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #44


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    I concur with you Jimbo.
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  5. #45


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    I personally don't believe that this version of Windows 8 is intended for a work computer. I have a feeling that Microsoft will also include a professional version of Windows 8. As long as I have been beta testing Windows O/S's there has always been a professional version to accompany the release of a new version of Windows.
    There is going to be a professional version of Windows 8 as well as an Enterprise version. I've heard nothing to suggest that they aren't going to functionally work the same as the version of Windows 8 that we have all been playing with for some time now.
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  6. #46


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    pparks, but if you look back at Microsoft's trend with making a professional version of their O/S, not to much about them are the same. For one thing, with a professional version of Windows 8, THERE will have to be a way to bring up more than a single desktop screen at a time, Metro would retard that, so I seriously doubt any portion of Metro would be built-in the professional version. BUT I do believe the start screen will be, as so much as the ability of using a touch screen to create passwords. (More Secure).
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  7. #47


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    Hasn't it already been established that there will be four versions? Windows RT, Windows 8, Windows 8 Professional, and Windows 8 Enterprise. Going by past experience, Professional just has added features over the lower version. There wasn't all that much difference in how they looked, it was the same OS just with added features. Do you know something we don't know?
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  8. #48


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    pparks, but if you look back at Microsoft's trend with making a professional version of their O/S, not to much about them are the same.
    Huh, say what? With Windows 7, the professional version adds group policy support, remote desktop, and ability to join a domain. Functionally speaking though, the actual way the OS works, looks and feels is practical identical. I think you are misinformed in how these business versions differ from the home version.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    For one thing, with a professional version of Windows 8, THERE will have to be a way to bring up more than a single desktop screen at a time, Metro would retard that, so I seriously doubt any portion of Metro would be built-in the professional version.
    So, now you understand why us IT guys are up in arms. This interface is complete crap as far as business usage goes. But they have provided nothing to say things would be different for the pro or enterprise versions.

    I'm with alphanumeric on this one, I don't know of any reason to believe that Metro won't work exactly the same under the Professional version as it will under the standard version. Besides, Microsoft is going to be providing the Professional version with the $39.99 upgrade. Why would they show us the consumer preview, the development preview and now the Release Preview, but have something totally different for the enterprise?

    If there was going to be substantial changes in the Enterprise product, they would have made that available to enterprises to evaluate. Because right now, the IT Pros are saying, "no way in hell is this going on desktops at work".
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  9. #49


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    I personally don't believe that this version of Windows 8 is intended for a work computer. I have a feeling that Microsoft will also include a professional version of Windows 8. As long as I have been beta testing Windows O/S's there has always been a professional version to accompany the release of a new version of Windows.
    Hi there
    I just don't see W8 ever going anywhere NEAR any serious office either - at least in its current form.

    The Windows to go idea is apparently only going to be available in "Enterprise" version -- but to me this is a 100% misnomer -- no sensible "Enterprise" is going to even THINK of touching W8 with a 7 Km long pole and the people who could get most use out of this feature would be "roving" or external consultants working at different customer sites -- and these people won't have access to W8 "Enterprise".

    The whole Metro idea has to be DROPPED totally for computers used in businesses.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I disagree. Yesterday, I showed the Windows 8 to a guy I know that runs a small car dealership. He was definitely impressed as he told me that he has a friend that has about 20-25 PCs that he might want running a dual boot of 7 and 8 with 8 being used the most. Heck, his wife and daughter came into the dealership into the office when I was talking about the new UI features and he told them that Windows 8 is installed and when they saw it, there was a look of whoa on their faces. People love the dragging down to close an app, it's awesome! It could be just me, but Windows 8 can easily be used in the enterprise once the initial learning curve is overcome. More locations can be pinned to it, more programs, more apps can be pinned and it's very visual. But it could be just me as I find it fantastic to use versus others...along with some other people....
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  10. #50


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    wait and see HOW they actually use W8 in business.

    The whole Metro idea which forces people to work in FULL SCREEN MODE one screen at a time is totally NOT the way most serious work users actually USE their computers.

    Perhaps in a car dealership where the saleman just points out each individual model full screen is fine -- but just try something really EASY like translating a document into a second language ONLY USING ONE non windowed FULL screen. At the very least you need to be able to SEE both documents at the same time -- then say you want to add data from a spread sheet or several spread sheets. Maybe you don't do spread sheets etc - but this is a very NORMAL type work activity in 1000;s of workplaces around the world.

    Case closed M'Lud. Next case please. !

    Cheers
    jimbo
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