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How Microsoft can salvage Windows 8 before it's too late

  1. #61


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    Windows 8 already includes the option to boot directly to the desktop (i.e. no lock screen, no password). It's in the group policy Editor (gpedit.msc) and user account control (netplwiz.msc). It is not really helpful to complain about the settings of the Metro desktop without even having attempted to learn or modify settings.

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  2. #62


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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryE View Post
    I'm no fan of Metro - to me it's the biggest obstacle to Windows 8. I am getting used to it (as if I have much choice if I continue to use Windows 8) but I think I'll hold on to my Windows 7. I'm usually one who likes running the latest and greatest but this one's going to be the exception.

    If you like Metro and you think it's cool, that's fine. If you're like me and you don't, welcome to a pretty big club. Differences in opinion or perspective do not mean we can't behave like adults.

    FWIW, I might be in the minority but I liked Vista and I even told a friend that he should not be in any hurry to upgrade his Vista PC to Windows 7 as long as Vista works well for him.
    I agree that everyone has their own opinion and has the right to make their own choice, we don't have to agree on them.
    And this:
    Differences in opinion or perspective do not mean we can't behave like adults.
    I also like Vista, still have it on my laptop (Vista, Win7, Win8), if it's working well no need to upgrade.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    One thing is certain, every possible opinion on every possible aspect of the Win8 debate has been expressed, in every possible way.

    Isn't it time to put away the duelling swords and simply wait till the RTM hits the market? And let the sales barometer do the talking?
    ...

    In terms of this thread, the most meaningful statement for me was from the ZDNet blog by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes referred to by Brink in the initial post:
    However, given that the Redmond giant has already gone on the record to say that the UI that we see in the Windows 8 Release Preview is not what will be in the final release, it's safe to say that things are in a certain state of flux.
    What's the point of everyone getting their feathers all ruffled up until we know what the final reality is?
    Very well stated.
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  3. #63


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    Windows 8 already includes the option to boot directly to the desktop (i.e. no lock screen, no password). It's in the group policy Editor (gpedit.msc) and user account control (netplwiz.msc). It is not really helpful to complain about the settings of the Metro desktop without even having attempted to learn or modify settings.
    I was not complaining, just stating my preference. I prefer a system that boots straight to desktop from the get go, without having to use group policy Editor, User Account Control, or 3rd party software.
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  4. #64


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    Windows 8 already includes the option to boot directly to the desktop (i.e. no lock screen, no password). It's in the group policy Editor (gpedit.msc) and user account control (netplwiz.msc). It is not really helpful to complain about the settings of the Metro desktop without even having attempted to learn or modify settings.
    I was not complaining, just stating my preference. I prefer a system that boots straight to desktop from the get go, without having to use groupd policy Editor, User Account Control, or 3rd party software.
    Mustang,

    You might see if this may work you to boot directly to the desktop in Windows 8 without the use of 3rd party software or any other adjusted setting.

    https://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html
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  5. #65


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Mustang,

    You might see if this may work you to boot directly to the desktop in Windows 8 without the use of 3rd party software or any other adjusted setting.

    https://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html
    Thank you for that information Brink. I normally don't use a password, and Win8 boots straight into Metro. But I will implement one so I can do what you have suggested.

    Someone else suggested putting the "Desktop" tile from Metro in the Startup option, and it automatically boots straight to desktop without having to do anything but start the PC. But it didn't tell how to do this?
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  6. #66


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    You're welcome Mustang.

    You could still do it without having to use a password. You would still move the Desktop tile to the upper left corner, but then can just press Enter as soon as the Start screen comes up to go to the desktop without having to click on it.
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  7. #67


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    You're welcome Mustang.

    You could still do it without having to use a password. You would still move the Desktop tile to the upper left corner, but then can just press Enter as soon as the Start screen comes up to go to the desktop without having to click on it.
    Thank you very much for that info. That answers my question.
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    Anytime.
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  9. #69



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    my beef is there are so many tricks you can do but the average user and even the business will not know how to do it. Like putting a third party start menu on, booting directly to the desktop, etc as we all have seen in here. Unless you are an advanced user one will have no clue how to use Windows 8 which will become very frustrating. The consumer user will be lost unless he uses the computer only for surfing the internet or checking email or looking at pictures. The business user will be totally lost and the owner of a business will have to hire an IT person to teach their employees how to use it which can become quite costly.

    Microsoft in my opinion should have at least put in the Start Menu in the Desktop App to give the user the use of both worlds. Or given us the option to pick a "Classic Mode" that would switch it looking like Windows 7 and if you really wanted the Metro look you have that option. This way again you have "both worlds"

    I will give you an example on how horrible it is now. I give free seminars to businesses and non profit organizations on "How to Keep your computer Safe and Backing up your computer". I also have Windows 8 in Virtual to show them what it looks like. I did NO changes, (all my tweeks are on my desktop test machine in my office)- this is a laptop running windows 7 Pro and VMWare Virtual. I do this for 15 people as well as I have done it for 1000.

    I have done 4 so far this month. 2 were the consumer side - 2 were the business side.

    On the consumer side when i showed them Windows 8- all of them had opened mouths and gasped. I would say about a third of them liked the Metro look. those who liked it were in the age group from 18-35. Those who did not were over 35

    On the business side between both seminars I had 300 business users. When they saw Windows 8 (now again i showed it to them without any tweeks) the gasps were higher. I would say about 25 might consider using it, the rest NO.
    The first thing they said was "where is the start menu?" Almost all of them when i asked told me they would have to higher someone to teach their employees how to use it. Some that were there were advanced users and asked me if there is anyplace they could go to get more into. I gave them this forum to come to.

    I did a poll and asked how many would consider purchasing or upgrading to Windows 8
    First seminar had 125 people. 20 raised there hands
    2nd seminar had 175 people- 10 raised their hands

    on the consumer side- 1st one I had 50
    2nd one- 75
    combined about 30 people (again all in the age range of 18-35) said they would consider upgrading

    So you see it is not cut and dry here. the majority would not upgrade especially on the business side

    For me, I have no choice but to upgrade my laptop once the preview version expires because i need the ability to show it at my semniars. My other 9 machines run Windows 7 Pro and they will NOT be upgraded

    Again for me, I will make lots of money from Windows 8 because my clients who need to upgrade will need to hire me to "Tweek" it to make it look siminar to Windows 7 and to teach them how to use it, but personally I do not like having such a huge change rammed down my throat to get into the "Tablet market" I have an Ipad, I do not want one on my desktop or laptop, I like the Windows 7 look.
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    Those tests are pretty much useless because those people didn't see the startup tutorials that shows up first win8 boots. There will be specific tutorials based on what device win8 is installed on also.
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