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How Microsoft can salvage Windows 8 before it's too late

  1. #41


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    vrosa said:
    except for the absence of the start menu and the inability to boot directly to desktop mode.
    Not TRUE. Simple matter actually of sticking the desktop tile into the "startup" folder, and BINGO!! Desktop is what loads after you login.

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  2. #42


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionell View Post

    OK. How long will it be possible to BUY new installation packs for Windows 7? I suspect that will terminate at the originally planned 2014 date or shortly thereafter. After that, no new hardware can run Windows 7 without a very time consuming call home to ask "mother may I?".
    Yes, I agree with you. Thats a problem that microsoft will need to answer. That would totally depend on how Windows 8 shapes out. If Windows 8 is a success, the problem just doesn't arise.
    It is a monumental mistake not to have a switchable classic vs Metro experience in Windows 8. Fighting Metro when all you need is a clean desktop experience offers no value and adds cost. It is a monumental mistake not to have a switchable classic vs Metro experience in Windows 8.
    Windows 8 hasn't yet been released. Microsoft might include that option of booting directly into desktop in the final Windows 8. Yes, Microsoft on their part should give users that flexibility.
    But as for me, I like metro much more than the start menu. I would certainly prefer metro. But another user may not like metro and he should be given the option of booting into desktop mode directly.
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  3. #43


    Mike,

    Sometimes best is most popular and sometimes not. It all depends upon your purpose. However, being popular tends to make things cheaper with mass production and all. If it is cheap enough then it can overcome a lot of defects. See PC hardware vs Apple hardware for example. Even there, Apple has joined the X86 circus rather than stay with the power pc. Why? Price/performance.


    Consider the now obsolete VCR format battle. Beta was better for some purposes but the perceived value of long record times overcome the marginal visual defects of the format that won the popularity battle. With digital video, it is a battle of compression methods and resolutions rather than recording formats. 1080P is rather good. 4Kp is much much better but far too expensive right now. 16Kp likely would be mind blowing and outrageously costly. Most people will live with what they can afford so 1080P is about as good as video needs to be until the price of higher resolutions drop substantially. Ultimately it is price/performance/purpose that sets what makes sense. Popularity follows close behind.
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  4. #44


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    Windows 8 pro Retail


    Actually Lionell ALL those NEW TV formats (for now) will be obsolete! 3DTV is already in production, and will be delivered by the end of March 2015 when television formats changes to 3D. (Can you say I have a horrible headache from WATCHING TV?) <g>
    *Note: As a matter of fact you can already purchase a 3DTV, BUT I would say wait till it is actually rolled out worldwide. The stations/channels.*
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  5. #45


    For those of you hell bent on keeping your start button and booting to desktop in Win8 you can just install Start8. A free program.
    Here's more info on it. http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...-start8-143772
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  6. #46


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundtweaker View Post
    For those of you hell bent on keeping your start button and booting to desktop in Win8 you can just install Start8. A free program.
    Here's more info on it. http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...-start8-143772
    Pretty good but there are other alternatives also. (Welcome to Classic Shell and power8 - Yet another Start menu replacer for Windows 8 - Google Project Hosting work on the same issue)

    Stardock wants my email JUST to send me a download link.
    What's up with a download link on the site? It's difficult to implement I guess.

    I'll stick with Metro for now because it works (even if miss a start menu)
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  7. #47


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Soundtweaker View Post
    For those of you hell bent on keeping your start button and booting to desktop in Win8 you can just install Start8. A free program.
    Here's more info on it. http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...-start8-143772
    Pretty good but there are other alternatives also. (Welcome to Classic Shell and power8 - Yet another Start menu replacer for Windows 8 - Google Project Hosting work on the same issue)

    Stardock wants my email JUST to send me a download link.
    What's up with a download link on the site? It's difficult to implement I guess.

    I'll stick with Metro for now because it works (even if miss a start menu)
    It's alright... I got Start8 also (per mail).

    I saw it some time ago but wasn't curious about the features.
    Thanks Soundtweaker for reminding me the site.
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  8. #48


    With Win 8 going RTM next month, it's a case of, "what you see now, is what you get".
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  9. #49


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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit


    Well. Better start over with much calmer climate.

    After watching, reading, and thinking about how people react to all three released preview. I simply come to a thought that MS successfully invoked people reaction to the new offered concept. The reaction to the metro UI design might have outnumbered any other positive aspects of W8 in general (totally my own opinion). I believe MS aware of all given opinion posted here and there.
    My best hope (guess) is that the final release will come out with something called as surprise. But, if it doesn't, I will still be able to say welcome to any third party start menu.


    Kevin
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  10. #50


    I'm no fan of Metro - to me it's the biggest obstacle to Windows 8. I am getting used to it (as if I have much choice if I continue to use Windows 8) but I think I'll hold on to my Windows 7. I'm usually one who likes running the latest and greatest but this one's going to be the exception.

    If you like Metro and you think it's cool, that's fine. If you're like me and you don't, welcome to a pretty big club. Differences in opinion or perspective do not mean we can't behave like adults.

    FWIW, I might be in the minority but I liked Vista and I even told a friend that he should not be in any hurry to upgrade his Vista PC to Windows 7 as long as Vista works well for him.
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