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How Microsoft can salvage Windows 8 before it's too late

  1. #21


    India
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Well Jeff I had used Windows XP, worse POS since Windows 98SE. I can't understand how people LIKED it, it was so INSECURE. and you could count on re-installing it atleast twice weekly. Do a web search on Windows XP gets infected again, you'll get in the hundred of thousands of hits with any search engine. I was for one happy to upgrade to Vista getting away from WinXP was a happy day for me.
    I have used XP too. Windows XP isn't as bad as you are describing.

    I agree, that compared to the newer operating systems, xp isn't as secure as the others. This is something inevitable, since support for a more than decade old os isn't gonna be the same as a three or six year old os. But performance wise, vista is no match for xp. Windows 7 remains the best os by microsoft till date, followed by xp. (Windows 8 is still not a stable release)
    Remember, xp has, even after more than a decade, the second hight user share in the world even today. People haven't liked it just because its called 'xp'

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  2. #22


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    I agree with you Arpan, but you can't deny ALL those complaints out on the web, plus on top of that the so-called firewall was only OUT BOUND. Meaning it was worthless to anyone looking for protection from it. ZoneAlarm seen the opportunity and gave us a GOOD software firewall. As I said, I typed it in myself, and got this as the VERY first hit:
    Windows 7 Infection Rate Lower Than Windows XP
    Still wondering WHY anyone liked XP to begin with.

    ***EDIT*** My opinion XP stands for eXterminate Processors. Because that what it did
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  3. #23


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Well Jeff I had used Windows XP, worse POS since Windows 98SE. I can't understand how people LIKED it, it was so INSECURE. and you could count on re-installing it atleast twice weekly.
    Yeah I guess that's why it is the most successful desktop OS in history.
    It's so bad that 40% -50% of users refuse to upgrade from it, to the newer operating systems.

    I definitely got hit by malware more times using W98 (between2000 to 2004) than XP.
    I only had to reinstall XP twice (between 2004 and 2006) due to malware.

    Once I swapped from IE6 to Firefox (~2006) my malware problems basically stopped (i.e. I'd only see malware in my AVG Virus Vault).
    After that, the only times I ever reinstalled XP was when I got new HDDs.

    I started using W7 at build 7048 and by build 7100 I only booted XP to update it.
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  4. #24


    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lionell View Post
    Windows 8 (aka Vista 2.0): no way! Not even on a touch device. I will move to Apple before I will do that.

    They will have to take Windows 7 and a functional desktop/laptop computer out of my cold dead hands.
    well for me, they may do that.

    Love Win8, Metro could be better, but I cannot understand anyone loving Win7.

    It is like the XP users, cannot understand that either, but I never used XP, so hard to judge

    Anyway, Coke is right, Win7 WAS Vista2 and an improvement, but Win8 is better, hands down

    Jeff
    I agree that you cannot understand. Perhaps this will help. Best is determined by ones needs, desires, and purpose. Windows 8 violates all three of those for me. It is unacceptable for me because METRO is constantly getting in the way I work and think. It is also unacceptable because it has invisible actions that you MUST use to use the desktop. THIS is a violation of sound human engineering practice. Correct use should result from correct design and not training or documentation. The path Microsoft is taking is a monumental error.

    Positive changes are good. Negative changes are bad. I have found only negative changes in Windows 8 with promises of more bad things to come. In particular: the world of computers will only be touch and touch apps must be approved and sold by and through Microsoft. THAT too will fail ,at least for me. I want no part of it. Someone must develop the software and content that the zombie like consumers of content use. That cannot be done on touch only devices. There is far more to this world than tweets, sharing photos, and staying connected (whatever that means).

    Don't bother saying I am afraid of change. I started with computers long before you were born (1965) and have experienced and caused more change in more fields than you can imagine. I have been burned in about every way one can be burned. Not all change is good. Some changes destroy. It is important to learn the difference between good and bad. I suspect that will take some time before you will understand the difference.
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  5. #25


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    I'm a FanBoy, but I've always agreed that there should be a choice of UI upon installation or upon boot. If at RTM this is left out, I think there will be such a backlash from Pros, PUs, and enterprise that they will be forced at SP1 to allow the choice.
    There's not going to be a choice at install time as that would totally defeat what MS are determined to achieve. Paid for apps and monthly subscription cloud computing. The cloud always sounds a great idea provided you have a 100% fast connection all of the time which in my experience simply is not the real world. As I've said from day one, MS are living in a bubble over this and I'm sure everything works fine at Redmond. You can just imagine those MS folks patting each other on the back but Win8 is simply not going to cut it outside of the MS bubble.

    Sure they will pick up a few tablet sales with Win8 and who knows, just maybe it will work out fine with the phone. But as has already been commented elsewhere, when you need to do some serious stuff, design, etc then a touch screen simply does not work out as the most effective. But for reading e-mails, browsing, playing games then it'll (Win8) no doubt be fine.

    I'll buy a copy for $40 but it will stay in the drawer. It's worth the gamble to see if the Classic UI makes a return with SP1 some 12 months down the road. I'm not holding my breath over that though.
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    I'm a FanBoy, but I've always agreed that there should be a choice of UI upon installation or upon boot. If at RTM this is left out, I think there will be such a backlash from Pros, PUs, and enterprise that they will be forced at SP1 to allow the choice.
    There's not going to be a choice at install time as that would totally defeat what MS are determined to achieve. Paid for apps and monthly subscription cloud computing. The cloud always sounds a great idea provided you have a 100% fast connection all of the time which in my experience simply is not the real world. As I've said from day one, MS are living in a bubble over this and I'm sure everything works fine at Redmond. You can just imagine those MS folks patting each other on the back but Win8 is simply not going to cut it outside of the MS bubble.

    Sure they will pick up a few tablet sales with Win8 and who knows, just maybe it will work out fine with the phone. But as has already been commented elsewhere, when you need to do some serious stuff, design, etc then a touch screen simply does not work out as the most effective. But for reading e-mails, browsing, playing games then it'll (Win8) no doubt be fine.

    I'll buy a copy for $40 but it will stay in the drawer. It's worth the gamble to see if the Classic UI makes a return with SP1 some 12 months down the road. I'm not holding my breath over that though.
    So you're going to spend $40 on something you don't believe in and think is terrible and won't use in hopes of it all getting better in the future and saving maybe a similar tiny amount. The only way to vote your disapproval that counts is NOT TO BUY THE THING, yet you're planning to give Microsoft your money anyway, which will only validate their direction and encourage them, making it less likely for your gamble to pay off. I don't get it.
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  7. #27


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    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post

    So you're going to spend $40 on something you don't believe in and think is terrible and won't use in hopes of it all getting better in the future and saving maybe a similar tiny amount. The only way to vote your disapproval that counts is NOT TO BUY THE THING, yet you're planning to give Microsoft your money anyway, which will only validate their direction and encourage them, making it less likely for your gamble to pay off. I don't get it.
    I don't think my $40's is going to make any difference one way or the other. The future direction of Win8 will be determined by the feedback from the OEM's and the media once it hits the streets. But I do concede your point.
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    I agree with you Arpan, but you can't deny ALL those complaints out on the web, plus on top of that the so-called firewall was only OUT BOUND. Meaning it was worthless to anyone looking for protection from it. ZoneAlarm seen the opportunity and gave us a GOOD software firewall. As I said, I typed it in myself, and got this as the VERY first hit:
    Windows 7 Infection Rate Lower Than Windows XP
    Still wondering WHY anyone liked XP to begin with.

    ***EDIT*** My opinion XP stands for eXterminate Processors. Because that what it did
    Yeah, I completely agree that there are those complaints and windows xp isn't probably best choice of os you want to have in your pc, if you want to keep pace with the rapidly changing world of tech
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  9. #29


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    Well I will answer to all in one reply here:

    Those that liked/like XP, find it hard to change to another more modern OS.

    that the METRO is getting in the way, explain please, because it does NOT get in my way.

    true I do not use METRO much myself, but that is not the fault of MS, it is my fault.

    If only METRO could be snapped, then most of the problems would be gone and METRO would be more accepted.

    That 40-50% of PC users will skip Win8.......is hard to believe for me. If one still wants to use XP (MY GOD), Vista or Win7 well do so, but not me.

    Win7 is old news for me. I do not consider a PC+OS as a type machine, please look forward, do not look back.

    Jeff
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  10. #30


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    Well I will answer to all in one reply here:

    Those that liked/like XP, find it hard to change to another more modern OS.

    that the METRO is getting in the way, explain please, because it does NOT get in my way.

    true I do not use METRO much myself, but that is not the fault of MS, it is my fault.

    If only METRO could be snapped, then most of the problems would be gone and METRO would be more accepted.

    That 40-50% of PC users will skip Win8.......is hard to believe for me. If one still wants to use XP (MY GOD), Vista or Win7 well do so, but not me.

    Win7 is old news for me. I do not consider a PC+OS as a type machine, please look forward, do not look back.

    Jeff
    When looking forward, one sees a world full of 24 inch monitors running one app at a time and a constant blitz of advertisement at every turn. One is right to cringe at the sight.

    You're right, if Microsoft had handled Metro differently on desktops it would have been actually pallatable. Metro apps movable and sizable on the desktop, Start screen movable and resizable as well...

    But the way they have neutered the desktop and bolted metro on like it was an entire second OS is just horrendous. A real slap in the face to anyone that is a "producer" as they call us. The new desktop is going to be stark and ugly with the new graphics as well. Is that the new future? Interface designs that look like they were done by and for first graders and run on machines that only have 16 color graphics cards?

    I WANT a new forward looking Windows. But Metro is NOT it.
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