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How Microsoft can salvage Windows 8 before it's too late

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    it is true also that Steve Balmer has said that Microsoft is going to "Out Apple Apple". Which is frankly just frightening. We're all Windows fans because Microsoft is NOT Apple. But if Microsft /becomes/ apple? Hell might as well just buy Apple. The surface is going to be more expensive than the iPad, so I guess they are out Appling Apple already!
    Steve has really lost his mind, hasn't he?

    The guy has become completely arrogant.

    My biggest question is where is Bill Gates, and why hasn't he reined in the fool with the help of the BoD?

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  2. #162


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    I think I am a "windows fan" because that is the easiest way to get my work done. I do browse through the Apple store all the time though. In essence, I am not a fan, at all. I live and work in society and take a modicum of responsibility for my actions and words.

    I think that Steve Ballmer has always been kind of a loose cannon, but he eventually makes sense and will do the right thing here. Perhaps He wouldn't be at the top if he weren't a good businessman. I guess he just meant that The MS App store would provide an enhanced version of the Apple App store. That is just business. Shakespeare did this with literature and Ford did it with automobile parts. Bill Clinton reinvented the political party to which he was a member.

    Ballmer's only a "fool" here because we (posters) can hide behind the safety and anonymity of this discussion thread. We all have handles like HawkWind, FnordMoDorker57 and BolderSquint787 (and etc) that , we think, keep us safe from the tiresome accountability of life.

    LOL
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  3. #163


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    I hate to break the news, but Bill Gates first started the tablet PC wave a decade ago. He originally believed in touch computing, as you can find Windows 3 built for pen input. Heck, he even lead the most massive redesign of Windows back with 95! He's totally fine and accepts the Surface tablet. I'm a little bit surprised that he didn't even have an input with Windows 8 as it's something that he would had helped to orchestrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    He wouldn't be at the top if he weren't a good businessman.
    If that were the reason that everyone at the top were at the top, no one at the top would ever be fired. Who was better for Apple - John Sculley or Steve Jobs? Companies promote idiots 24/7.

    Five CEOs Who Should Have Already Been Fired


    Microsoft employees rate Steve Ballmer as worst CEO
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  5. #165


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    If that were the reason that everyone at the top were at the top, no one at the top would ever be fired. Who was better for Apple - John Sculley or Steve Jobs? Companies promote idiots 24/7.
    I have to admit I am not familiar with Sculley's being forced out of Apple. I know that Steve Jobs has had a religious following during his whole corporate career (even to his untimely death). I could find just as many quotations that stated that Sculley's methods were very astute while Jobs was the person who hurt Apple's business.

    What it gets down to is a religious argument. That's why Ballmer is a "fool" and an "idiot" now without anyone ever having to cite any facts whatsoever.

    Bill Gates is a philanthropist. He is no longer a technological savior and I don't think he is aiming for godhood either. Since I will cite no facts or data about the career of John Sculley, I will not form an opinion to share. And I will not attack him personally.
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  6. #166


    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    He wouldn't be at the top if he weren't a good businessman.
    If that were the reason that everyone at the top were at the top, no one at the top would ever be fired. Who was better for Apple - John Sculley or Steve Jobs? Companies promote idiots 24/7.

    Five CEOs Who Should Have Already Been Fired


    Microsoft employees rate Steve Ballmer as worst CEO
    Ah, John Sculley.

    In the text-to-speech software of the day on Macs, if you gave the application "John Sculley", it'd speak "Pepsi Salesman". I had the feeling that he wasn't universally admired at Apple.
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    As far as I know (and it's not much), Culley wanted to conduct business with an IBM-style marketing method. He increased Apple's net worth from 18 million to 8 billion (50%). He was once CEO of PepsiCo. He was forced out in 1993 because of his controversial business ideas that conflicted with Jobs' ideas.
    Last edited by rich4421972; 12 Aug 2012 at 16:32.
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  8. #168


    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    I am the one to be corrected!

    I apologize and stand corrected. I do hope you liked my view on the Apple/Java situation, though.
    Absolutely no problem, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    He was forced out in 1993 because of his controversial business ideas that conflicted with Jobs' ideas.
    No, Jobs left Apple in 1985. He didn't return as CEO until 1997. It's not a coincidence that the worst years of that company were when he was gone. Meanwhile, when he was gone, he revamped the entire movie industry with Pixar and created the backbone of OS X with Next. Forget contemporaries, there aren't many people like him in business, period. I'm no Apple fanboy, I prefer PCs when it comes to spending my money. I'm just saying the guy had a vision that few others have. Just like Gates had a vision for MS that no one else (so far) at MS has matched.

    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    What it gets down to is a religious argument. That's why Ballmer is a "fool" and an "idiot" now without anyone ever having to cite any facts whatsoever.
    The man has been in charge of MS for more than a decade. He has a track record, which is why Forbes called him the worst CEO in the country a few months ago.

    I have no clue how 8 will do in the marketplace, but I cannot imagine it will match the success of 7. There was broad-based excitement before the release of 7. That's not happening with 8. Yes, there are lots of people looking forward to 8. I do not deny that. But you didn't see these kinds of stories on the eve of 7's release:

    Acer halves PC sales estimates and cautions over Windows 8
    Game Developers Bash Microsoft’s “Wrongheaded” Windows 8 Strategy
    Microsoft's Got A Big Problem With Windows 8
    Defining moment for software giant falls flat


    Heck, just look at a bunch of threads in this very forum - SevenForums didn't have this sort of reaction. It was the total opposite. I hate knocking MS because I like Windows very much, but it is what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Heck, just look at a bunch of threads in this very forum - SevenForums didn't have this sort of reaction. It was the total opposite. I hate knocking MS because I like Windows very much, but it is what it is.
    The "unfinished" W7 Betas were excellent (apart from WMP12).
    I started using W7 as my main OS, months before the RTM.
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