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How Microsoft can salvage Windows 8 before it's too late

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    Thanks Brink - heh - heh - heh

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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    The topic has finished - rtm has shipped -it is already too late.

    They might be able to fix with the next o/s - I think we may not have to wait 3yrs for it.
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  3. #143


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    The topic has finished - rtm has shipped -it is already too late.

    They might be able to fix with the next o/s - I think we may not have to wait 3yrs for it.
    That is exactly what I was thinking as I read some of the responses to the article. It's too late to fix it. It's a little bit like sending up a rocket to the moon, and when it's nearly there they try to bring it back to fix a problem before it reaches the moon.
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  4. #144


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    They will have to build another, better, rocket pretty soon.
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  5. #145


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    At this point I've given up on RP. At least with CP I had a degree of stability after loading Win8 on a separate HD with normal Win7 HD disconnected so no joint boot menu. If Win8 HD was plugged into eSATA it auto booted to Win8. If unplugged from eSATA, Win7 started normally.

    At first this seemed to work with RP. But then for no apparent reason problems began to appear. Each time after running Win8 on eSATA, and unplugging, on boot Win7 gave warning: "Disk consistency needs to be checked." Then the same message would appear each time Win8 was booted on eSATA. Then suddenly on booting Win8 error message said start repair needed to be run. It failed, and Win8 would not boot. Start repair also failed when run from installation DVD. That's when I gave up on it and am not doing anymore until RTM is out.

    Also after RP wouldn't boot, it left Win7 with the optical drives not working, and several other buggy things happening, like deleting an email on desktop, but the file not deleting until a log off/on was done, etc. Seems I can't run 7 & 8 on the same maching, let alone the same HD.

    Can Win8 be salvaged? Probably better odds of raising the Titanic! I hope not in it's present state. Maybe October 26 will defintively answer that question? it still sticks in my craw that MS refuse to provide a direct boot to desktop and legacy start menu when it can so easily be done!
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  6. #146


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Can Win8 be salvaged? Probably better odds of raising the Titanic! I hope not in it's present state. Maybe October 26 will defintively answer that question? it still sticks in my craw that MS refuse to provide a direct boot to desktop and legacy start menu when it can so easily be done!
    Don't think much is going to change on October 26. Win8 is not going to fly with in it's present form and certainly not going to outperform Win7 from a sales point of view.

    What will be flying though will be the Windows Eight forum. It will probably be the most visited help forum on the planet for all the poor folks that have bought into Win8 Metro (sorry, still can't stop using that word even though it's apparently been banned by MS), or had it 'forced' on them by an OEM somewhere.

    Like your point about the rocket Frank. Think that sums it up in a sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    They will have to build another, better, rocket pretty soon.
    Old rocket salavageable ... Naw! Take two!
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  8. #148


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    The rtm is actually quite usable - at least it is if you use Classic shell to replicate some of the functions MS have abandoned.

    Out of the box, rtm is awful.
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  9. #149


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    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    consumers will either stay on Window 7 or flock to OSX and most enterprises won't touch Linux at the desktop level. Let's not forget that a majority of enterprises use Microsoft backend infrastructure that even OSX still struggles with, can't imagine the cost of implementing Linux desktops in that environment.
    Think most folks round here have a look at whatever Linux from time to time, well at least I do and you keep coming up with the 'almost there' feeling. But that's been the case for several years and it's simply not going to happen.

    In my case I need to run Adobe software. Sure there are open source options like possibly Gimp - no where up to the polish of Photoshop though and that will only run CS1 or 2 (from memory) under Wine. So there's really no real world benefits.
    I think I disagree (at least a little). Recently, my college, Washington State University, switched from Solaris 9 to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.7. I was very surprised at them changing from a well-supported commercial UNIX to Enterprise Linux, but I guess they had their reasons. There is no question that a Linux network is much cheaper to run than an Oracle/Solaris one. Since my college is a state college, they probably were looking to save money in any way.

    We only operate Red Hat on our mainframes and in our Engineering labs. The student labs are all Windows XP or some type of iMac. The average student doesn't even experience Solaris or Red Hat unless he/she is a computer scientist or electronics engineer.


    Red Hat does have good reputation of repairing bugs and security holes within 24 hours of their knowledge of them. Red Hat and the other enterprise linuces claim to support their releases with bug fixes and security patches for at least 10 years. I think that is pretty to close to MS, but I haven't thought it through. Windows XP is at end of life and it still has a larger market share than most "alternative" OS's (including Linux) out there.

    I guess, I do agree with that "not-ready" feeling that comes from using Openoffice, GIMP, GNUCash and other open-source imitations of commercial things.

    If I were to "flock" to anything, I think it would be to OS X not only for its large user base (well, OK, 6%) but for its regular support from its manufacturer. Linux, Red Hat and Oracle cannot offer the stability and reliability of Apple updates and hardware repairs. I don't know about Canonical but perhaps their commercial service is as good as Red Hat. Linux must do something about its 6-month release schedule. It means a completely new OS twice a year. I don't think Microsoft even rushes out service packs out that often.

    I'm not a fan-boy of MS by any means, but I think OS X is the better deal in terms of stability and support (if you wanted an alternative).
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  10. #150


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    Are you sure?


    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    If I were to "flock" to anything, I think it would be to OS X not only for its large user base (well, OK, 6%) but for its regular support from its manufacturer. Linux, Red Hat and Oracle cannot offer the stability and reliability of Apple updates and hardware repairs. I don't know about Canonical but perhaps their commercial service is as good as Red Hat. Linux must do something about its 6-month release schedule. It means a completely new OS twice a year. I don't think Microsoft even rushes out service packs out that often.

    I'm not a fan-boy of MS by any means, but I think OS X is the better deal in terms of stability and support (if you wanted an alternative).
    Are you sure about that?

    The whole Flashback debacle was caused by Apple not releasing an update for a Java exploit, one that had been patched in Linux distros and Windows for 6 months (according to several other sites I visit).
    Older versions of OSX had Java installed by default.

    The Linux servers only require security updates (the other updates are optional).
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