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How Microsoft can salvage Windows 8 before it's too late

  1. #111


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    Windows 8 pre-release


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Childish posturing?

    I am discussing marketing - those who do not understand are not forced to reply.

    Seems to me that you are the one getting angry.

    Name calling will not be tolerated .
    Why did you use the word "Monopoly" as though it were a universal concept like "Truth" or "Love" or "Heaven?" Why did you never use the word "marketing," instead using "telemetry," "something risky" and "breaking the rules" to describe what is the standard MO for Microsoft? To me, these are abstract concepts without an explanation of how you define them.

    I would like to hear some concrete examples ( I.e. non-metaphysical and non-rhetorical) about how MS could fix this clumsy thing called the Metro start menu. I think it is clunky, too and I don't know how it should be fixed except to get rid of Microsoft Reader, Player and the Metro interface of Internet Explorer 10. I think they should have the option to use a "classic" theme like classic shell that was easy to turn on and off. Right now, Classic shell offers no way to use Metro as long as you are using the Windows 98/2000 style

    If I have offended you in any way, I apologize. I have been known to be quite pig-headed and arrogant (but you know this now). If I have done wrong by you, I am sincerely sorry and will extricate myself from this discussion. You are right to call me on the "name-calling."

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  2. #112


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    Why did you use the word "Monopoly" as though it were a universal concept like "Truth" or "Love" or "Heaven?"
    No offence intended rich, but when I read your last few posts I thought I was at an English or Philosophy lecture, rather than a technical forum.

    It's not the letter of the law that counts, but the intent of the law, which in this case is for the message being conveyed to be understood by the recipient. As I said in a post on another thread, debate uses logic, reason and facts that can be validated. It precludes feelings, preferences and opinions. But open discussion includes all of the above, whether it be jargon, cliches, slang or whatever ... just as long as it gets the concept across!

    A bit like someone going into a highly emotional tirade and being in someone's face. And at the end, the other person saying: "Does that mean you don't like me?" Think he got the point! And if you'll pardon the pun, a bit like poor old Julius C when he said: "Et tu Brute?" He got the point literally!
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  3. #113



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    Please keep the debating civil people, so the thread doesn't have to be closed.
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  4. #114


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    win 7 home premium 64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Airbot View Post
    Please keep the debating civil people, so the thread doesn't have to be closed.

    Airbot:

    Please let this debate continue. Of course a little heat will be generated with differing opinions but it seems that Mustang and rich are handling it reasonably well, and of course you don't get the bigger picture unless you have the occasional tempered disagreement during debate.

    Mustang, your view reflects mine exactly. Although "technically" MS does not have a complete monopoly on the market they have in reality because the OEMs use Windows as the default OS, and those OEMs are the primary products that consumers purchase to use PCs. Very few of us build our own systems, or use alternative OS like Linux or Ubuntu. I am now very much a fan of
    Linux Mint because it seems to be a very viable alternative to Windows 7 and is very secure as well. Of course that fact that they are not forcing metro down my throat or charging me for the use of the OS is a nice extra touch. I wish the OEMs would start looking elsewhere for OS. The protest should be that the major OEMs like HP, Lenovo, and Dell, Acer, should offer Linux Mint as an option on ALL their PCs. I have a feeling if consumers and enterprise get a whiff of Windows 8 they will flock to Linux Mint in droves. Certainly seems the opportune time for them to go elsewhere.
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  5. #115


    Posts : 51
    Windows 8 pre-release


    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Airbot View Post
    Please keep the debating civil people, so the thread doesn't have to be closed.

    Airbot:

    Please let this debate continue. Of course a little heat will be generated with differing opinions but it seems that Mustang and rich are handling it reasonably well, and of course you don't get the bigger picture unless you have the occasional tempered disagreement during debate.

    I'm afraid that I brought the tempered element to this discussion and I am sorry.
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  6. #116


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    I'm afraid that I brought the tempered element to this discussion and I am sorry.
    I don't wish to sound patronizing rich, but IMHO it takes a lot of character to say what you've just said. And it certainly gets my respect.

    Likewise if anything I said was offensive I certainly apologize too. I did not feel any animosity or hard feelings.

    Cheers M
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  7. #117


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    Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9


    There are OEMs that used Ubuntu but I'd rather want Linux Mint. I have used Linux Mint 9 as my primary OS for many months and up until now, I have LM 9, LM 12 and LM 13 on live CD's and DVD for LM 13. Its more user friendly for Windows migrants and after more bug fixing, I think its a good OS to go for OEMs which could also save you some because Linuxes are free, no need to pay for licenses. But I guess most average Joe don't even know how to use Linux right now so it still would not be most practical to load Linux on most OEM's unless most of your customers are power users.

    I just bought a new Asus netbook and with plenty of space, I am thinking about installing RP on a small partition but I had split decisions now so I would not give it a go. But, what I do hate about OEM's now is that they usually come with a ton of bloatware and a long list of Startup items, people don't really need or care about that only delays the startup.
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  8. #118


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    As it celebrates its 30-year anniversary, Microsoft Hardware announces the launch of several new devices, all finely tuned for use with Windows 8. Four of the devices are Bluetooth-enabled, pocket-sized yet sturdy, and specially designed for use on the go including with tablets.
    In the coming weeks and months, the company will introduce two new Bluetooth-enabled keyboards and mice to the market the Wedge Touch Mouse, the Wedge Mobile Keyboard, the Sculpt Touch Mouse, and the Sculpt Mobile Keyboard. On October 26, the general availability date of the new Windows 8 operating system, Microsoft will also release updated Windows 8 gestures for the Microsoft Touch Mouse.
    Microsoft Hardware Delivers on Windows 8, Good Looks and Mobility at Microsoft News Center
    A gesture that Microsoft firmly support Metro UI by equipping Windows 8 RTM with those four new hardware.
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  9. #119


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    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    I have a feeling if consumers and enterprise get a whiff of Windows 8 they will flock to Linux Mint in droves. Certainly seems the opportune time for them to go elsewhere.
    That'll never happen. Linux is still regarded as an enthusiast's OS, consumers will either stay on Window 7 or flock to OSX and most enterprises won't touch Linux at the desktop level. Let's not forget that a majority of enterprises use Microsoft backend infrastructure that even OSX still struggles with, can't imagine the cost of implementing Linux desktops in that environment.
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  10. #120


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    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    That'll never happen. Linux is still regarded as an enthusiast's OS, consumers will either stay on Window 7 or flock to OSX and most enterprises won't touch Linux at the desktop level. Let's not forget that a majority of enterprises use Microsoft backend infrastructure that even OSX still struggles with, can't imagine the cost of implementing Linux desktops in that environment.
    Think most folks round here have a look at whatever Linux from time to time, well at least I do and you keep coming up with the 'almost there' feeling. But that's been the case for several years and it's simply not going to happen.

    In my case I need to run Adobe software. Sure there are open source options like possibly Gimp - no where up to the polish of Photoshop though and that will only run CS1 or 2 (from memory) under Wine. So there's really no real world benefits.
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