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Windows 8: The end of the full retail version?

  1. #41


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    Like from Sony?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    With a sealed package hard copy you know it's secure and not corrupted. Only way to go.
    Like from Sony?

    Real Story of the Rogue Rootkit

    Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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  2. #42


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    @Mustang, Classic Shell can have its own "pinned" list of apps in the area about which you are talking. Instead of right clicking and selecting "Pin to Start Menu", you just drag and drop the shortcut to that area to "Pin" it or right click the Start button, click "Open" or "Open all users" and paste shortcuts there outside of Programs folder to "pin" them. Best part is you can backup those "pinned" shortcuts and restore them unlike Windows 7's Start Menu's pinned shortcuts which require a complex number of steps to backup/restore.
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  3. #43


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    Windows 8 pro Retail


    I agree 100%!!
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  4. #44


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    Windows 8 pre-release


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    For me personally, I don't see Win8 as a suitable desktop replacement for Win7.

    However, if Microsoft continue down the path indicated with Win8 it's quite scary. With Mac you can't build your own system, and Linux Ubuntu to my mind is not a real alternative. So that really leaves traditional desktop users hanging. I mean, there's really nowhere else to go.
    I may be confusing the issue but I think there should be a way of storing the install image on a USB or DVD (even if the OS was downloaded as an upgrade). I am a "traditional dektop user" and I wipe and reinstall my operating system at least once every 6 months. I have done the periodic reinstall thing since I owned Windowsw 98SE.

    If Microsoft will let consumers have a copy of the ISO that they purchased, I don't see a problem with the plan. You are right that there is literally no other alternative OS. I am hoping that a lot of usability issues will be taken care of by the time this OS comes to market.
    I don't see how this is an abnormal plan because many software companies are requiring a working internet connection to install their software (I am thinking of Corel and their WordPerfect office suite). Also, the improvements to NTFS 3.1 alone are a good reason to think about the upgrade.

    Also, The Metro UI is completely accessible from keyboard shortcuts and I rarely have to use the mouse anyway.
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  5. #45


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    Windows 8 pro Retail


    Rich? That to myself, is not a viable way to do a Windows install. Image files have a way of getting around, and causing piracy, especially with keygens. How keygens work, is quite simply, you get a couple actual CoAs, usually down from 2 different locations
    write a simple code keygen program, using the actual CoAs to give you a range to work from, and VIOLA! image plus CoA = A pirated version of Windows 8. (Note: CoA Is Certification of Authenticity)
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  6. #46


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by xpclient View Post
    @Mustang, Classic Shell can have its own "pinned" list of apps in the area about which you are talking. Instead of right clicking and selecting "Pin to Start Menu", you just drag and drop the shortcut to that area to "Pin" it or right click the Start button, click "Open" or "Open all users" and paste shortcuts there outside of Programs folder to "pin" them. Best part is you can backup those "pinned" shortcuts and restore them unlike Windows 7's Start Menu's pinned shortcuts which require a complex number of steps to backup/restore.
    Thank you for that information. That makes it near as good as Win7, if not better, given the ease of backing up shortcuts.
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  7. #47


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    With a sealed package hard copy you know it's secure and not corrupted. Only way to go.
    Like from Sony?

    Real Story of the Rogue Rootkit

    Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    After reading that who can you trust anymore? Hell I'm just grateful I haven't bought any Sony music CDs ... ever! Having said that I do have a Sony TV that updates via the broadcast signal. It has the ability to hook to my PC but I've never bothered. And now I won't.

    Even so, I'd be amazed if Microsoft ever put a rootkit that phones home in their hard copy Windows discs. Why should they? They already have access to our computers every time we update Windows or Microsoft products. Also from a legal point of view MS wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they did and were caught, as they're meant to be the "protector of the realm"!
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  8. #48


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    That was a few years ago.
    There have been other cases of corrupted/infected software from "Big Name" companies.
    I've never been affected by this problem though.

    Always make a Backup HDD image, before installing software.
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  9. #49


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    Windows 8 pre-release


    Image files have a way of getting around, and causing piracy, especially with keygens.
    ISO's causing piracy? I would counter that ISO's are not the criminals here.
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  10. #50


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    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT


    Quote Originally Posted by rich4421972 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    For me personally, I don't see Win8 as a suitable desktop replacement for Win7.

    However, if Microsoft continue down the path indicated with Win8 it's quite scary. With Mac you can't build your own system, and Linux Ubuntu to my mind is not a real alternative. So that really leaves traditional desktop users hanging. I mean, there's really nowhere else to go.
    I may be confusing the issue but I think there should be a way of storing the install image on a USB or DVD (even if the OS was downloaded as an upgrade). I am a "traditional dektop user" and I wipe and reinstall my operating system at least once every 6 months. I have done the periodic reinstall thing since I owned Windowsw 98SE.

    If Microsoft will let consumers have a copy of the ISO that they purchased, I don't see a problem with the plan. You are right that there is literally no other alternative OS. I am hoping that a lot of usability issues will be taken care of by the time this OS comes to market.
    I don't see how this is an abnormal plan because many software companies are requiring a working internet connection to install their software (I am thinking of Corel and their WordPerfect office suite). Also, the improvements to NTFS 3.1 alone are a good reason to think about the upgrade.

    Also, The Metro UI is completely accessible from keyboard shortcuts and I rarely have to use the mouse anyway.
    This is from MS blog.

    Upgrade to Windows 8 Pro for $39.99


    After your download finishes, you can choose to proceed with the upgrade (“Install now”) or install later either from your desktop or by creating your own media. If you choose to create your own media, you will be able to create your own bootable USB or .ISO file which can be burned onto a DVD for upgrade and backup purposes. If you prefer, you also have the option of purchasing a backup DVD for $15 plus shipping and handling.
    Jim
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