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  1. #11


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    Windows 7/8


    Gadgets are things that are always visible on the desktop next to your applications (at the users discretion). They feed you live information as you are using your other normal apps to do your work.

    How do live tiles replace that? You see the tile OR your app. NEVER at the same time. How do you get an accurate CPU/GPU usage or temp monitor going if you can't be using your application and watching the meter at the same time? Same thing with the stopwatch gadget I use frequently to time the operations of other programs.

    It's really not the same at all. They only partially replace some of the functionality, but in the end, again, desktop users lose out on functionality they have come to use and rely on. Sure maybe 90% of the population never uses their machine to more than 10% of it's potential, but that 10% of us that use 90% of our machines potential are finding ourselves being boxed in and dumbed down at every turn.

    You must realise how completely frustrating that is. AND I hope someone realises that it is us very 10% that actually create everything else that the other 90% uses... If we all jump ship to a new OS, there won't even be a windows ecosystem to sustain there being a Metro at all.

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  2. #12


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    xp , 7Pro, 8RP, Android phone, Tablet


    I use 4 gadgets for shear convenience, and wrote one to give me quick access to a restart button the first day I loaded W8.
    Whats the odds on them pulling the whole sidebar in the RTM. They only offer half a dozen or so at the moment having killed off the gadgets in windows live.
    Just one more thing we will have to put back should we we wish to. My desktop is 3840x1200 and a tile taking up 50% is a NONO.
    I am not against Metro per se and if I could get it to run on my 10in. tablet with an arm processor I would be very happy.
    Meanwhile I put back classic shell for a start menu, copied over my unique gadgets that interact with various routers, migrated the W7 games and luckily they have relented on media center which runs live tv.
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  3. #13


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    Gadgets are things that are always visible on the desktop next to your applications (at the users discretion). They feed you live information as you are using your other normal apps to do your work.

    How do live tiles replace that? You see the tile OR your app. NEVER at the same time. How do you get an accurate CPU/GPU usage or temp monitor going if you can't be using your application and watching the meter at the same time? Same thing with the stopwatch gadget I use frequently to time the operations of other programs.

    It's really not the same at all. They only partially replace some of the functionality, but in the end, again, desktop users lose out on functionality they have come to use and rely on. Sure maybe 90% of the population never uses their machine to more than 10% of it's potential, but that 10% of us that use 90% of our machines potential are finding ourselves being boxed in and dumbed down at every turn.

    You must realise how completely frustrating that is. AND I hope someone realises that it is us very 10% that actually create everything else that the other 90% uses... If we all jump ship to a new OS, there won't even be a windows ecosystem to sustain there being a Metro at all.
    That's usually only if you have windows windowed on the Desktop, when it's maximized, that isn't really possible. I don't think it's a huge issue as there will be those apps that replace of that functionality like a stopwatch. And again, the Task Manger has a lot of those system monitoring features built in and can be windowed and made smaller and made always visible on the Desktop.

    Yes, a feature is going to be removed, but it's a feature that a vast majority of people won't mind or care for. Yes, there are some that feel losing a feature is dumbing down, but how did you monitor system usage BEFORE the gadgets? You worked around that with utilities that did some of the gadgets. It's the same with 8, you just find a new way to go from point A to B, it may take a similar route or take a different route or routes. But for many people, it's just a simple thing that isn't there that's being replaced with a new route.
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  4. #14


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    That Linux installation is looking more appealing by the day, I'm afraid.

    Will there be ANYTHING recognisable left in the retail version of Win 8?

    Sure not looking like it........
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  5. #15


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Linux Mint 13 (MATE)


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    That Linux installation is looking more appealing by the day, I'm afraid.
    Have a look a Linux Mint 13.
    I've got Linux Mint 13 (MATE) in a VM and it looks quite reasonable.

    If I didn't have Ubuntu 10.04 installed on my HDD, I'd consider installing Linux Mint as my Linux OS.

    You can install VMware Workstation in Ubuntu (so it should install in Linux MInt) and run a Windows VM in it, to run Windows software (e.g. Office, etc.).
    It performs OK on my PC (I really need more RAM though).
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  6. #16


    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    Unfortunately Linux doesn't does maybe 1 out of 10 things I need and use my windows machine for well at all. It's pretty much a non starter (and I use it every day for work).

    OSX at least does have quite a few of the programs I need and use daily, weekly or monthly. But there are several more that are also missing. And then there is the fact that Apple are truly evil. (Ballmer's quote of "We're going to out Apple Apple" was particularly horrifying for many reasons)

    Windows is (was?) a giant, comparably stable, ubiquitous platform that everyone could go to to get anything done. Good for developers, good for users. MS seems to be doing everything they can to fracture that.
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  7. #17


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    Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    That's usually only if you have windows windowed on the Desktop, when it's maximized, that isn't really possible.
    Well its possible to dock a Desktop Gadget on top of all running Desktop applications by right clicking it and choosing "Always on top". The new Task Manager is nice but it could not show processor activity on each core, could not show temperature as you said or be fitted as compact and efficient as All CPU Meter.

    I disagree that few people use them. In fact, most of the netbooks or laptops I've seen as I can remember, have a few gadgets opened.

    I usually have 3 Desktop gadgets. Clock, Custom Calendar and All CPU Meter. I occasionally use the fun Gadget called Piano and it could play simple piano notes via the keyboard. There are other free gadgets out there that do those sort of fun things as well. At least they could easily be minimized or maximized WITHOUT LEAVING THE DESKTOP unlike those Metro apps.

    I like the idea that fun things could be done on the Desktop using just small stuff called gadgets and I don't wanna leave my Desktop because that's where I work just to view those "live tiles". I would enjoy those live tiles much better if I was using a tablet or something like Nokia Lumia but not on a Desktop computer with a large screen. I just don't think M$ made a very significant reason to kill off the gadget if not for their own gain. Its a silly reason. Why not just fix these vulnerabilities without killing the gadgets and why do they have to kill them off even from Windows 7 and Vista where there is no Metro apps or live tiles? So that there is no more competition on those Metro apps that show live tiles that actually generate profit$, that's why. But why do that on Windows 7 and Vista where certain people like use use them?
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  8. #18


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Thanks for that, Lehnerus.

    I'll give it a look.
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  9. #19


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    That's usually only if you have windows windowed on the Desktop, when it's maximized, that isn't really possible.
    Well its possible to dock a Desktop Gadget on top of all running Desktop applications by right clicking it and choosing "Always on top". The new Task Manager is nice but it could not show processor activity on each core, could not show temperature as you said or be fitted as compact and efficient as All CPU Meter.

    I disagree that few people use them. In fact, most of the netbooks or laptops I've seen as I can remember, have a few gadgets opened.

    I usually have 3 Desktop gadgets. Clock, Custom Calendar and All CPU Meter. I occasionally use the fun Gadget called Piano and it could play simple piano notes via the keyboard. There are other free gadgets out there that do those sort of fun things as well. At least they could easily be minimized or maximized WITHOUT LEAVING THE DESKTOP unlike those Metro apps.

    I like the idea that fun things could be done on the Desktop using just small stuff called gadgets and I don't wanna leave my Desktop because that's where I work just to view those "live tiles". I would enjoy those live tiles much better if I was using a tablet or something like Nokia Lumia but not on a Desktop computer with a large screen. I just don't think M$ made a very significant reason to kill off the gadget if not for their own gain. Its a silly reason. Why not just fix these vulnerabilities without killing the gadgets and why do they have to kill them off even from Windows 7 and Vista where there is no Metro apps or live tiles? So that there is no more competition on those Metro apps that show live tiles that actually generate profit$, that's why. But why do that on Windows 7 and Vista where certain people like use use them?
    I've seen a LOT of systems with gadgets on the Desktop, but it's usually like 1-3 at the most and those are usually ones that have a live tile on the Start Screen. I think it would be nice to have a decent system monitoring app that I can snap to the side and show a lot of what my system is doing from temps to speed to usage. And, have a live tile of course.
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  10. #20


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    No problems


    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    Unfortunately Linux doesn't does maybe 1 out of 10 things I need and use my windows machine for well at all. It's pretty much a non starter (and I use it every day for work).
    You can run Windows virtually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Thanks for that, Lehnerus.

    I'll give it a look.
    There are a couple of versions (MATE & Cinnamon).
    I haven't tried Cinnamon.

    Here is the download link:
    Download - Linux Mint

    Here is a User Guide:
    Linux Mint 13 User Guide.pdf

    Here is a blog article, which lists the installed software (pg2) and other information:
    The Perfect Desktop - Linux Mint 13 (Maya) | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials

    Here is a slideshow of my Linux Mint VM (I've customised it slightly).
    Click on thumbnail for animation.

    Click image for larger version
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