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Readying Metro style apps for launch

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    There are certain instances where you do need multiple windows, as there is the Desktop. The metro design will evolve and is just at it's birth stage. I would bet things will improve more in later versions as the start menu did for 17 years.

    Having said that, when you aren't in need of multiple windows, metro flies. I wouldn't think on a daily basis someone would need a plethora of windows open all the time. There are instances where that is needed, like stock brokering, but not everywhere else. I know in education, a lot of window usage from I've seen is usually three on average. Now, they aren't open at one time usually or sometimes are stacked to be switched to. Windows 8 has the simple function with metro just as well. You can snap two apps together, but I think that isn't enough since I'd rather have a full two halves of the screen be used and not 1/3 or 2/3. One could easily translate a document from Word in Desktop, and snap metro IE 10 and use an online translator to copy and paste or translate the document and have both side by side.
    Hi there

    @ COKE ROBOT

    I LIKE YOU but you are talking TOTAL BOLLOCKS here.

    You never answered my original query --which was say you needed to translate a document from Icelandic into English, French, German and Dutch -- how would you do it with only FULL SCREEN METRO windows available.

    THAT IS 100 % NOT AN OPTION.

    switching from one full screen window to another IS NO GOOD for this type of app. You really DO NEED to have at least the ORIGINAL and the target translation windows open SIDE BY SIDE (or concurrently). -- Not possible with Netro currently.

    So PLEASE COKE ROBOT -- I like a lot of your stuff (and if I saw you in a pub would probably like you too anyway as a person) but PLEASE ANSWER my QUESTION -- Metro only how would you use W8 to translate documents from one into several languages only using the METRO SCREENS.

    Not easy I can assure you.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #12


    Covington, La
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    Jimbo,
    I agree with you on the Metro apps, but you still have a Desktop and can run a translation program on it. You do not need the Metro apps at this time and I suspect a lot, if not most, business people will just ignore the Metro apps and go to the Desktop. You can even unpin all the Metro apps from the Start Screen and won't have to use them at all. I play with some of the Metro apps just to see, but 99.9% of the time I am in the Desktop.

    Jim
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  3. #13


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    correct, it all can still done the same way in desktop mode, one click of the mouse, whats the big deal. Metro is a start screen interface, not a work area.
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    Not if it's Win RT on an ARM tablet. Yes it all can still be done if you have desktop apps to fall back on. That's the way I'm doing things now. I think it was suggested that you can do it all in Metro, and that's what Jims post is in response to. I'll let him confirm or deny that though. Windows 8 is fine, but the Metro UI and Metro apps need a lot of work if you are going to multitask in it.
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    Not if it's Win RT on an ARM tablet. Yes it all can still be done if you have desktop apps to fall back on. That's the way I'm doing things now. I think it was suggested that you can do it all in Metro, and that's what Jims post is in response to. I'll let him confirm or deny that though. Windows 8 is fine, but the Metro UI and Metro apps need a lot of work if you are going to multitask in it.
    We'll have to wait and see what Jimbo says, but I think that's what he is talking about.

    Quoting the Wikipedia description of the Surface:
    Microsoft Surface is a planned series of tablet PCs designed and marketed by Microsoft. The Surface will be available in two versions, "Surface" and "Surface Pro". "Surface" will run the Windows RT operating system and use an ARM CPU. "Surface Pro" will run the Windows 8 Pro operating system and use an Intel CPU.[2][3] The display is a 10.6-inch, 16:9 widescreen HD Display (Surface), or Full HD Display (Surface Pro)
    Even at the "Surface Pro" on an Intel, the screens will be too small for viewing panes and to navigate around would be time consuming to get anything accomplished. Then there's the issue of dual or multiple screens. i.e. will one have the option of dual screen via USB or HDMI if need be?

    Nice tennis match, people! The ball is in your court for your anticipated return, Jimbo.
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  6. #16


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    For me personally I can't ever see using a tablet for my main computing device. Even if it docks to a docking station with a keyboard, mouse, touchpad, and external monitor etc. Regardless or what OS is on it. If I ever have to give up my desktop PC the replacement will be a big honking desktop replacement laptop. I still want a tablet for out on my deck to do Web browsing, email, forum posts, music, and videos etc. For me, my options are limited by low finances. I'll likely end up with and Arm based tablet unless a really good sale happens at the right moment. By the time I'm ready to buy, Windows 8 will be out, and I'll just have to see what's out there that I can afford. For what I'd do on it, it wouldn't be the end of the world if it was an Android tablet.
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  7. #17


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    On these forums we are use to thinking PC. Now that Windows 8 runs on multiple platforms we need to be more specific as to what platform we are discussing. Although Windows 8 will be similar on all these new platforms (per MS design) they each have their own particular limitations. I use an old Laptop when traveling and when it finally goes I may have to look into a tablet. Should be a lot of interesting units available in the future. Competition is great for us consumers.

    Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phone Man View Post
    On these forums we are use to thinking PC. Now that Windows 8 runs on multiple platforms we need to be more specific as to what platform we are discussing. Although Windows 8 will be similar on all these new platforms (per MS design) they each have their own particular limitations. I use an old Laptop when traveling and when it finally goes I may have to look into a tablet. Should be a lot of interesting units available in the future. Competition is great for us consumers.

    Jim
    Yeah I was just recently thinking that when someone comes on here with a Q like "How do I make X do Y" they are going to have to be VERY specific about what device they are talking about. I mean it already happens between desktops and laptops, sometimes that makes a HUGE difference in how you answer a question. But now extend that to tablets and phones and it'll be even more confusing unless the OP mentions it right up front.
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    On these forums we are use to thinking PC. Now that Windows 8 runs on multiple platforms we need to be more specific as to what platform we are discussing. Although Windows 8 will be similar on all these new platforms (per MS design) they each have their own particular limitations. I use an old Laptop when traveling and when it finally goes I may have to look into a tablet. Should be a lot of interesting units available in the future. Competition is great for us consumers.

    Jim

    Yeah I was just recently thinking that when someone comes on here with a Q like "How do I make X do Y" they are going to have to be VERY specific about what device they are talking about. I mean it already happens between desktops and laptops, sometimes that makes a HUGE difference in how you answer a question. But now extend that to tablets and phones and it'll be even more confusing unless the OP mentions it right up front.

    Thank you, gentlemen, for what you just stated. It finally hit me with what Jimbo is saying in this topic. It doesn't matter what device you're using with 8, although it's about screen real estate and the larger the screen the better. Of course, a phone would be ridiculous. You are correct to state that on forums we speak generally about PCs (with large screens) and now with 8 we should be more specific on scenarios across a multitude of platforms. But, what I believe he is referring to here is specifically the Metro UI screen, no matter what device for they all have one thing in common, a Metro screen.

    To quote a portion of a Wikipedia article about Windows 8 Windows 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

    The traditional desktop environment for running desktop applications is treated as a Metro app. The Start button has been removed from the taskbar in favor of a Start button on the new charm bar, as well as a hotspot in the bottom-left corner. Both open the new Start screen, which replaces the Start menu.
    Correct me if I'm wrong. What he is saying is unless you can multi-pane a Metro screen in certain tasks or scenarios, it is not a platform to accomplish the task efficiently, quickly, or at all. 1/3 - 2/3 is not going to cut it.

    Also, a multi-monitor alternative isn't cutting it either. To quote z3r010 above, who uses 6 monitors:

    Metro and multiple monitors is a disaster and as a 6 screen user the reason I'm staying on Windows 7.
    I'm not in IT nor am I that much of a power user, but I believe them.
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    That's my main beef with Metro, no multi monitor support. I have 2 19 inch LCD's but because they aren't wide screen monitors, no Metro Snap. So for me, it's one Metro app at a time on one monitor.
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