Microsoft: Don't overclock Windows 8 unless you like our new BSOD

Redmond boffins burn up CPUs so you don't have to
By Gavin Clarke

Microsoft's Blue Screen of Death is the curse of Windows. Not just its appearance, mid way through some serious game play or spreadsheeting, but the messages themselves - digital monologues on the existence of a problem, its possible causes and how you can fix it.

Yeah, right. Just shut down and re-start like everybody else.

With Windows 8 Microsoft has re-engineered BSOD for the era of Twitter and texting - unhappy smilies and chirpy one-liners.

Based on some Microsoft research, though, it seems you could be seeing more of the Windows 8 BSOD if you buy a PC from an OEM who's fiddled with the chip to make it go that little bit faster. Also, beware the temptation to buy a PC from an unrecognized PC maker.

Read more HERE
 
When you get a link to a link to a link, here's the link to that link::p

http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/144888/eurosys84-nightingale.pdf

I think that it is saying - if you get a crash running Windows 8, don't run Windows 8 on that machine, because it will crash again and again...


Gavin Clarke's subtitle "Redmond boffins burn up CPUs so you don't have to" is a bit ingenuous - Microsoft get the data used in their excellent paper from crashes that we, the consumers suffer, via the Windows "WER" (Windows Error Reporting) procedure which sends crash reports direct to Microsoft. If you happen to get a BSOD, Microsoft gets to know who made your PC, how old it is, what its spec. is how much it is over- or under-clocked, and how often it BSODs.
 
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
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    PC/Desktop
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    HP COMPAQ Presario CQ57
    CPU
    AMD E- 300 APU with Radion HD Graphics 1.30GHz
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    inbuilt
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    4GB
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    ATI
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    Seagate ST9500325AS
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    BT Infinity Unlimited - 80 up 20 down =70/16 really
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    Chrome Canary usually
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    Windows Defender and Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    no Start menu modifications
    Upgraded with no issues to 8.0 and to 8.1
so basically, don't buy from 'unknown' OEM's, who choose the best parts. pay 20% more for crap motherboard, crap case with non-existing air flow, just to have manufacturers logo, poor performance and loads of crapware preinstalled.

i don't buy computers - i buy parts and build them on my own. result:
core i7 (ivy bridge) running at 4.7GHz, 16GB ram 1866MHz etc etc...
running windows 8 flawlessly.

even on "factory" frequencies is significantly faster than major OEM builds.
 

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    8 Pro + MCP
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    DIY
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    core i7 3770K @ 4.8GHz
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    ASUS Sabertooth Z77
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    Crucial Ballistix Elite 4x4GB 1866CL9
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    intel HD4000/integrated
    Sound Card
    7.1/integrated
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    23" IPS Calibrated
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    1920x1080
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    OCz Vertex3 60GB SSD
    WD Scorpio Blue 500GB
    WD Caviar Blue 500GB
    Seagate Momentus 160GB
    Hitachi TravelStar 160GB
    PSU
    OCz ModXStream
    Case
    modded CM Cosmos S
    Cooling
    DIY watercool
    Keyboard
    Roccat ISKU, Razer Nostromo
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    Razer Orochi
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    I build, tune, mod and overclock.
    Want a really cool rig? I can do it for any budget!
Statistics don't work like that Zbaracki - your excellent handbuilt systems, wouldn't register in their stats - since they don't crash!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP COMPAQ Presario CQ57
    CPU
    AMD E- 300 APU with Radion HD Graphics 1.30GHz
    Motherboard
    inbuilt
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI
    Sound Card
    High Definition Audio on-board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    notebook
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    Seagate ST9500325AS
    Google drive 15GB
    Skydrive 25GB
    BT Cloud
    PSU
    external 20v
    Case
    Laptop
    Cooling
    pretty good
    Keyboard
    inbuilt
    Mouse
    touchpad
    Internet Speed
    BT Infinity Unlimited - 80 up 20 down =70/16 really
    Browser
    Chrome Canary usually
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender and Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    no Start menu modifications
    Upgraded with no issues to 8.0 and to 8.1
The report from MS was released April 2011 and has nothing to do with Windows 8. The only thing relevant to Windows 8 is that the BSOD message has been changed. The report was a analysts of hardware crashes not software crashes.

Jim :cool:
 

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    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS - Home Built
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II X6 1100T
    Motherboard
    ASUS M5A99X EVO
    Memory
    Crucial Balistic DDR-3 1866 CL 9 (8 GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI R6850 Cyclone IGD5 PE
    Sound Card
    On Chip
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VE258Q 25" LED with DVI-HDMI-DisplayPort
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080
    Hard Drives
    Two WD Cavier Black 2TB Sata 6gbs
    WD My Book Essential 2TB USB 3.0
    PSU
    Seasonic X650 80 Plus GOLD Modular
    Case
    Corsair 400R
    Cooling
    Antec Kuhler H2O 620, Two 120mm and four 140mm
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    AVS Gear Blue LED Backlight
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    Logitech Marble Mouse USB, Logitech Precision Game Pad
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    15MB
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    NIS, Malwarebytes Premium 2
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    APC UPS ES 750, Netgear WNR3500L Gigabit & Wireless N Router with SamKnows Test Program,
    Motorola SB6120 Gigabit Cable Modem.
    Brother HL-2170W Laser Printer,
    Epson V300 Scanner
At least Windows 8 sympathizes with my pain at every BSOD...
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014
I would hope that "fiddling" with the CPU doesn't really qualify as an officially tested overclock in anyone's book. Kind of like posting cpuz screen shots of high CPU overclocks that aren't stable.

I haven't seen a single BSOD with Windows 8 and I'm overclocked pretty well here.

Stable overclocks are still working fine, there is such a thing you know. ;)
 

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    Windows 8.1 Pro WMC
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    PC/Desktop
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    Home built
    CPU
    Q9650 @ 4.05 GHz
    Motherboard
    Gforce 780i SLI FTW
    Memory
    8GB Gskill DDR2 1200Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    GTX-480
    Sound Card
    Asus D2 Xonar
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    HannsG
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    Gskill 120GB SSD
    PSU
    Thermal Take 1000watts
    Case
    Thermal Take Xtreme
    Cooling
    9 fans air cooled
    Keyboard
    G15 logitech
    Mouse
    G9 logitech
    Internet Speed
    50mbps
What a BS; None of my PCs or Servers I build BSOD, they run 24/7, I can't say the same from HP that customers bring here, it's not their hardware that make BSOD, it's the full free crap they download and install. Of course if you OC a pc you reach a limit where it will BSOD, we can't try it with the 20 top as they don't OC, lol.


At least Windows 8 sympathizes with my pain at every BSOD...

You have BSOD ? Install Windows 7
 

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    Windows 8 enterprise x64
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    Pc-Quebec / Area 66
    CPU
    i7-3960X Extreme Edition
    Motherboard
    Rampage IV Extreme
    Memory
    Gskill 4x4 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    4 x HD 7970
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Screen Resolution
    2560*1600
    Hard Drives
    C:\Intel series 520 SSD , 250 GB
    D:\ WD 750 black with Intel 40gb SSD cache Intel RST
    E:\ WD 2TB Black
    PSU
    Corsair AX 1200
    Case
    TT Mozart TX
    Cooling
    Water Cooled
    Keyboard
    Logitech G-15
    Other Info
    Windows 8 VM is install on his own SSD.
If you read the paper - it was based on 1 million consumer machines who had hardware failures - not software - A couple of years earlier the analysts at WER - Windows Error Reporting - said that they had over 1 billion reports of all types of failures - so hardware failure in PCs comes in at less than 1 in 1000 error reports - the majority are due to software and drivers, and the analysts probably have no intention of producing a report on software and driver failure - because when discovered, they can be easily remedied - via software updates.

The downshot is, you will not be downloading a replacement for your failing DDR memory any time soon.

However, any research on hardware failure leads to a potential for future improvement, and with Microsoft becoming more involved in hardware production, you can probably even look forward to "signed" hardware components, as well as the current trends in UEFI, Drivers and Software.

A crash-free future would be fantastic.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP COMPAQ Presario CQ57
    CPU
    AMD E- 300 APU with Radion HD Graphics 1.30GHz
    Motherboard
    inbuilt
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI
    Sound Card
    High Definition Audio on-board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    notebook
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    Seagate ST9500325AS
    Google drive 15GB
    Skydrive 25GB
    BT Cloud
    PSU
    external 20v
    Case
    Laptop
    Cooling
    pretty good
    Keyboard
    inbuilt
    Mouse
    touchpad
    Internet Speed
    BT Infinity Unlimited - 80 up 20 down =70/16 really
    Browser
    Chrome Canary usually
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender and Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    no Start menu modifications
    Upgraded with no issues to 8.0 and to 8.1
BSOD's?

I don't get them, for some strange reason.

Maybe it's because I know how to set up and maintain my
machine, and don't overload it with rubbish or download
crap.

Probably had three since I've been using Win 7, and two of
them were on the beta/RC.....


BTW, anyone remember the Longhorn RSOD? That was novel.

And there used to be a prog that would let you change the colour of a BSOD.

Didn't fix it, or make it go away. Just changed the colour.....
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire Ethos AS8951G 'Super-Laptop'.
    CPU
    Intel Sandy-Bridge i7-2670QM quad-core
    Motherboard
    Acer
    Memory
    8GB DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 3000HD / Ge-Force GT555M 2 gigs
    Sound Card
    Realtek/5.1 Dolby built-in including speakers.
    Monitor(s) Displays
    18.4" full-HD
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1024
    Hard Drives
    2x750GB Toshiba internal, 1x500GB Seagate external, 1x2TB Seagate external, 1x640GB Toshiba pocket-drive, 1x640GB Samsung pocket drive.
    PSU
    Stock
    Case
    Laptop
    Cooling
    Air-cooled
    Mouse
    I/R cordless.
    Internet Speed
    Borderline pathetic.
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