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Why Microsoft killed the Windows Start button

  1. #61


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    I believe it will stay named as windows 7 recovery or similar. That is just for those who have already made images with it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    I sure hope the ability to do image backups remains intact.

    That'd be a bit of a game-breaker if not.

    (And I have neither the need, the desire, or the room for multiple monitors).

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  2. #62


    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    Microsoft claims it took the controversial decision to remove the Start button from the traditional Windows desktop because people had stopped using it.
    WTF!
    Love the icon!
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  3. #63


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    Uninstall the Microsoft Keyboard software in Control Panel. I lost the use of the Mute button and several others when I installed the keyboard update.



    Quote Originally Posted by mopipari View Post
    When I first started using 8, it was really annoying not to have the Start button, but as I become more familiar with 8's interface I don't miss it so much. It's not so bad once you know where to look for things. One question though, I've lost the function of the upper row of my keyboard, the row with numbers and symbols. Does anyone else have the problem? Updated the keyboard driver, but that didn't solve the problem. Also, just a suggestion to Microsoft...how about giving those of us who chose to be the guinea pigs a free upgrade for the trouble?
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  4. #64


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    I just liked it (the start button) because it was easy to re-start, shutdown etc when installing and un-installing programs and such.. nice simple and quick and yes I believe they are trying to sell me apps.. the whole OS has become ad-ware at best a kind of nag-ware at worst !!, I will excuse the second as you can remove all the apps from the start screen !! but of course most wont !

    I have windows 8 upgrade, but have decided to ride the Windows 7 wave for a few years longer !

    Andy
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  5. #65


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    Quote Originally Posted by zooburner View Post
    the whole OS has become ad-ware at best a kind of nag-ware at worst
    This statement is absolutely false. I've been running Windows 8 for a year and have not see one ad in the OS and that's because they don't exist. I've never been asked or forced into the Store and the ads in pretty much all the Apps I've tried that are FREE have very minimal if no ads at all. I haven't purchased any apps yet but I have on my Windows Phone and purchased apps have no ads at all, I'm sure it will be the same in Windows 8.
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  6. #66


    "We’d seen the trend in Windows 7," said Chaitanya Sareen, principal program manager at Microsoft, referring to the telemetry gathered by the Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program. "When we evolved the taskbar we saw awesome adoption of pinning [applications] on the taskbar. We are seeing people pin like crazy. And so we saw the Start menu usage dramatically dropping, and that gave us an option. We’re saying 'look, Start menu usage is dropping, what can we do about it? What can we do with the Start menu to revive it, to give it some new identity, give it some new power?'"
    "So I’m a desktop user, I pin the browser, Explorer, whatever my apps are. I don’t go the Start menu as often. If you’re going to the Start screen now, we’re going to unlock a whole new set of scenarios, or you can choose not to go there, stay in the desktop, and it’s still fast. You can’t beat the taskbar."
    Sareen also claims that people are taking advantage of keyboard shortcuts to open applications, instead of resorting to the Start menu. "Press the Windows key and 1 and you’re already in IE [if IE is the first item pinned to your taskbar]. It’s so fast."


    Now, i use my PC every day for hours and hours, and i have absolutely NO idea what the hell any of that means...

    Maybe it's because i use XP and am still waiting for something better to come along...no...nothing yet...
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  7. #67


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    Hi there
    what we really need is some mechanism for customising tiles for "Classical desktop applications". Currently you get a pathetic little tile with tiny (unchangeable) text fonts etc and fixed icons for every piece of the install stuff --- try installing Visual studio for example !!.

    The idea is OK but the whole method of scrolling indefinitely is fine for touch screens and mobile phones - but you really need some sort of better selection method for "Classical desktop" users.

    I'm sure the next iteration of Windows might make some concessions to desktop users with more tile customisability -- for example expandable tiles with a VERTICAL drop down while maintaining the base system which is fine for tablets and mobile phone users.

    W8 also needs to be made a bit more friendly to Multiple monitor users and also the ability to "Re-size" a metro app should be considered -- I know a mobile phone doesn't have a 44 inch LCD but desktops / laptops are routinely connected to LCD TV's which DO have these sort of screensizes and some metro apps look ridiculous on that size screen. -- Two or three live applications on this size screen would certainly get more people interested I'm sure.

    With the new MS tablet also having an HDMI output (at least it's alleged to have one) then the same issues apply even to TABLET users.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #68


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefferydray View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Golden View Post
    Microsoft claims it took the controversial decision to remove the Start button from the traditional Windows desktop because people had stopped using it.
    WTF!
    Love the icon!
    The only annoying part is that they decided to remove it after I got used to it. You always have to adapt and overcome.

    Now I'll get used to the Start Screen (not bad so far). So some time later they can remove it again and will have to adapt to something that will take its place. You can expect... anything.



    I'm already prepared!
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  9. #69


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    This is a load of marketing bullshit. The only reason the start menu, windows Aero etc has gone is because if you are going to create an operating system for a phone, a tablet and the pc the capability of the phone drives the application. You have to use the lowest common denominator. Its an indisputable fact. By microsoft own statement even if "most" marketing speak for 10 blokes we asked in the office, then some were still using it. So why not be charitable provide the functionality and give the opportunity to switch it off if you don't want it???? As an early post states, why if it was so out of fashion are so many third party start menu products.


    It is not about is Metro better than desktop, it is a matter of having the freedom of choice. The current Chairman is desperate to make a name for himself to counter the absolute classic youtube clip of him dancing round the stage screaming like a demented five year old. Seriously if you were a shareholder would you let a guy like that run a multi million dollar company after that???
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  10. #70


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    You wouldn't know what any of that means since you are still on XP. What Sareen conveniently left out was the fact that current numbers still put 100 million users on XP in the U.S. alone. You know most of them are still using the start button quite regularly, and are going to be the most vocal about losing it. I can about guarantee you that 99% of all Windows users still shutdown/restart Windows using the start button even if they don't use it for anything else.


    Quote Originally Posted by STIC View Post
    Now, i use my PC every day for hours and hours, and i have absolutely NO idea what the hell any of that means...

    Maybe it's because i use XP and am still waiting for something better to come along...no...nothing yet...
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