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Why Microsoft killed the Windows Start button

  1. #41


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Read that the other day.

    Thought it was crap.

    Still do.

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  2. #42


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    I don't agree with her at all.

    The article makes no sense.

    The argument she proposes is using windows key instead of the orb.

    That is fine as far as it goes.

    The trouble is the windows key does not open the much loved and extremely useful start menu - it opens the much reviled and worse than useless start screen.
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  3. #43


    Thanks for the lead on the article, Coke.

    I'm a fanboy, so I enjoy the start screen much more than the start menu. I believe she is correct in stating:
    Take one of the most common complaints about Windows 8, the removal of the Start button from the desktop taskbar. Microsoft says that's because it's rarely used, and most users pin the apps they always use to the taskbar or launch them from desktop icons.
    But there's another reason why the glowing start orb is gone: it's just not necessary any more, thanks to modern PC hardware.
    In previous OSs I pinned apps to the taskbar or launched them from desktop icons as it lQQks so many others did as well. There were so many at times, it was difficult to see the background pic or screen! The start screen, which is now easily accessible or swapped via the Win key, tidies up my desktop.

    Also, the start menu didn't give me the glance-at information that live tiles give me. I used gadgets for that which crowded my desktop all the more. I am aware that live tiles have some way to go so far as comparison with gadgets. For instance a live tile clock, a better calendar live tile, etc. I'm sure it will get better with time as did gadgets.

    Also, they have come a long way with hardware including peripherals.

    Before you dark agers pounce on me, I have always been and will always be in favor of a choice of UI at either install or boot so as to desktop only with your start menu.
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  4. #44


    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    "Dark agers"?

    Nice...

    Try "producers" or maybe "Professionals".

    You know WE are the once creating the very things you use and the very websites you go to, the music you listen to, the artwork you see, the newspapers and magazines you read and about 80% of everything else you see in the universe these days and we CAN'T DO IT USING METRO!

    Do you have any idea how many windows and programs you need open and running just to work on a typical website?

    Apparently not. Not you and not CR or anyone else that would use that kind of language.
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  5. #45


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    Windows 7


    My take on this is that first Microsoft broke the classic start menu in Window 7. Basically the "menu" functionality is severely reduced (here's my rant on the subject: Classic Shell: Why Classic Start Menu?) and "search" functionality was added. So it turned from an actual usable menu into a search tool.

    As a result many people stopped using it for organizing programs and started pinning stuff to the taskbar. In fact when there is a discussion about classic menu vs Win7 menu, one of the most common arguments is "who cares that the Win7 menu is not as good as classic, I don't use it anyway"

    So of course now they say "well, people don't use the start menu (never mind it's because we broke it), so let's just get rid of it".
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  6. #46


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    Yes That is part of the reason. A lot of people wanted the cascading programs.

    Obviously most people now pin their very frequently used programs.

    Therefore they go to the start menu somewhat less.

    It doesn't mean they don't want a start menu.

    Perfectly obvious MS removed it to force the screen on users.

    They pounced on the fact it is used a little less as an excuse.
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  7. #47


    My sincere apology to you, FSeal and other professionals. That term was definitely not the one to use. Please forgive me. Thank you for the reprimand.

    As soon as I get to my PC I will edit it out. I cannot at present perform that on my DROID2.
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  8. #48


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    Don't worry about it - it was a bit tongue in cheek.
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  9. #49


    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    Ugh, now I feel bad too.. I also apologise Hippsie.

    I'm taking Windows 8 way too personally. I've been a MS booster for decades now and though they have punched a lot of people in the face with their draconian decisions in the past I've somehow managed to avoid their flying fists until now

    I've seen a lot of huge companies die off in a fireball or fade away with a whimper from really bad descisions and Ballmer is scaring me with his "Out Apple Apple" talk (If I wanted Apple I'd be using Apple, I don't, I use Windows).

    I fear soon we'll have two Apples, 32 Linux and no Windows...
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  10. #50


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Ivo View Post
    My take on this is that first Microsoft broke the classic start menu in Window 7. Basically the "menu" functionality is severely reduced (here's my rant on the subject: Classic Shell: Why Classic Start Menu?) and "search" functionality was added. So it turned from an actual usable menu into a search tool.
    As I've written many times since I first joined this forum, I never considered the Start Menu usable as a program organizer or launcher from the moment I saw in the NT4 beta (I never used the DOS-based Windows) because it's laborious to navigate, and it goes away when you select something from it, forcing you to do the navigation all over again the next time. I always used third party organizers like jetToolbar until Windows 7 came along with its super taskbar, which was Microsoft's first real improvement to the Windows interface in over a decade. They didn't break the Start Menu in terms of usability because it was broken all along. That said, it is occasionally useful for certain things, it's convenient, and it's always there in the taskbar, at least it always has been.

    As a result many people stopped using it for organizing programs and started pinning stuff to the taskbar. In fact when there is a discussion about classic menu vs Win7 menu, one of the most common arguments is "who cares that the Win7 menu is not as good as classic, I don't use it anyway"
    That has been an exceedingly rare argument in this forum. Probably half my messages here have been to express puzzlement at all the people strongly lamenting the demise of the Start Menu. I've run into people who actually say they hate pinning programs and continue to use the Start Menu and Quick Launch.

    So of course now they say "well, people don't use the start menu (never mind it's because we broke it), so let's just get rid of it".
    They may say that, but they also say 6% of Windows users are Media Center users, which is a real howler. Getting rid of the Start Menu is all about achieving a foolish consistency with mobile devices and getting people into the world of apps and more to the point, the app store, where they can give Microsoft money on an ongoing basis.
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