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Why Microsoft killed the Windows Start button

  1. #21


    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    Sounds ok up front, but when talking about core technology (like the ability to play a video file) it hurts developers and users when windows is NOT a complete and ubiquitous system :/

    "Sorry you can't install that app till you buy the X module from Microsoft for an additional $4.95"

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  2. #22


    Posts : 239
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    They deliberately and cynically removed the choice.
    They (MS) had to remove choice. As I've said from day one, the whole exercise is to earn money via downloaded apps and subscription cloud services. If you like the Metro UI then fine, go with it. If you don't, then there should be a Classic UI option at installation. But giving users the choice would defeat the MS game plan.
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    "Sorry you can't install that app till you buy the X module from Microsoft for an additional $4.95"
    And that is just the start. Soon the paid for apps will have a time restriction on them when guess what, it's time to renew for another few $$'s.

    I'm a cynic about all of this but I know how some of these bean counters operate and I do not wish to be offensive with that remark as they are just following orders to squeeze the last penny out of the consumer.
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  4. #24


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    It's funny when I read that a LOT of people are asking for the start menu back when those people are usually desktop users and a small chunk of users that test beta operating systems and discuss the new changes LONG before the typical consumer even knows about it. I personally don't know anyone asking for the start menu back, the few I have testing it other than me enjoy it.

    As for the pinning, I personally find that's true. I pin like mad, I always set up installs of 7 to have everything needed pinned to the Taskbar versus the start menu. It's just easier, it's the first thing you see at start up and one click away. A typical Taskbar can hold MANY a program.

    Then there are the people that want the menu back, but none of the Start Screen, though it literally acts the same way other than one difference. They will usually either a) get a shell to do that or b) mope about it and just install addons to 7 to replicate 8.

    Change is needed, but always isn't welcome...
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  5. #25


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    "So I’m a desktop user, I pin the browser, Explorer, whatever my apps are. I don’t go the Start menu as often. If you’re going to the Start screen now, we’re going to unlock a whole new set of scenarios, or you can choose not to go there, stay in the desktop, and it’s still fast. You can’t beat the taskbar."
    Power users who use the Start menu are a minority then? Is that what she is stating?

    Clearly these people are well trained to deceive the flock of sheep and lead them in the wrong direction!

    Also, how does one
    you can choose not to go there, stay in the desktop
    when it keeps coming back while navigating???!!!!
    I would think so...
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  6. #26


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    They didn't have to remove choice - they decided to.

    Could be a very bad decision.

    That is why a large part of their existing user base is not behind them.
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  7. #27


    I didn't use the Start button to launch most of my most popular apps. Like it said, those are pinned, others use things like Rocketdock and such to launch them. But for anything that I didn't have pinned, I clicked on the start menu and got around the system using it. So, while I used it less, I still used it from time to time.

    I also don't use my CAPS LOCK key much, or my NUM LOCK key much...but I'm glad they are there when I need them.
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  8. #28


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    Cokie, it seems you will never understand.

    Some people have very simple needs. In fact, they don't need a "computer" at all. They could do everything they want on a phone - emails, bit of browsing, playing Farting Fish and posting a bit of inconsequence on Twitter.

    The only trouble with a phone is it is a bit small. They might be better with a tablet.They only need a few squares to jab at . They don't do anything that involves managing or creating content. Start screen is probably fine for that. Start menu is a bit fiddly on a tiny screen.



    Those who do want to manage and create content have different needs. Start screen is a massive hindrance for that. They need to stay in the workspace - having several windows and programs running. To access something else from there - you could use a combination of taskbar pins, start menu, etc.

    The start menu is not the only way - some people - like pparks use mainly taskbar pins - but they still use the start menu - it is the best, neatest solution.

    It is not just geeks - I have no idea who these people are you are referring to.

    Everybody I know thinks it absurd the start menu has gone.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Cokie, it seems you will never understand.

    Some people have very simple needs. In fact, they don't need a "computer" at all. They could do everything they want on a phone - emails, bit of browsing, playing Farting Fish and posting a bit of inconsequence on Twitter.

    The only trouble with a phone is it is a bit small. They might be better with a tablet.They only need a few squares to jab at . They don't do anything that involves managing or creating content. Start screen is probably fine for that. Start menu is a bit fiddly on a tiny screen.



    Those who do want to manage and create content have different needs. Start screen is a massive hindrance for that. They need to stay in the workspace - having several windows and programs running. To access something else from there - you could use a combination of taskbar pins, start menu, etc.

    The start menu is not the only way - some people - like pparks use mainly taskbar pins - but they still use the start menu - it is the best, neatest solution.

    It is not just geeks - I have no idea who these people are you are referring to.

    Everybody I know thinks it absurd the start menu has gone.
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  10. #30


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Cokie, it seems you will never understand.

    Some people have very simple needs. In fact, they don't need a "computer" at all. They could do everything they want on a phone - emails, bit of browsing, playing Farting Fish and posting a bit of inconsequence on Twitter.

    The only trouble with a phone is it is a bit small. They might be better with a tablet.They only need a few squares to jab at . They don't do anything that involves managing or creating content. Start screen is probably fine for that. Start menu is a bit fiddly on a tiny screen.



    Those who do want to manage and create content have different needs. Start screen is a massive hindrance for that. They need to stay in the workspace - having several windows and programs running. To access something else from there - you could use a combination of taskbar pins, start menu, etc.

    The start menu is not the only way - some people - like pparks use mainly taskbar pins - but they still use the start menu - it is the best, neatest solution.

    It is not just geeks - I have no idea who these people are you are referring to.

    Everybody I know thinks it absurd the start menu has gone.
    This man has got it.
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