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Microsoft's big mistake ???

  1. #41


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    There's a real good parallel to make with the Surface and OEMs.

    In the US, back when health care reform was debated, one of the key provisions was government run health care. That seems preposterous to some because they thought it would kill competition when in fact the point was TO PROMOTE competition.

    It seems that's true with the Surface. The OEMs are getting lazy and just wrapping up a motherboard with plastic and throwing them out to sale. That's part of the reason why Vizio got into the PC business is because of that. Microsoft is trying to lead a new wave of mobile touch devices running Windows 8. Some OEMs didn't like the fact that Windows 7 wasn't fully built so much for touch, or more like a mobile OS, and the alternate was to use android/Linux like HP's failed OS. The Surface is a signal to them that hey, you guys are sucking hard. There hasn't been anything innovative and they're trying to copy apple. It's terrible.

    What they need is something to follow that isn't apple because they're not in a position like apple to copy them.

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  2. #42


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    They are not getting lazy.

    They are in business - trying to grow their companies.

    They have to plan ahead for production - costs, profit margins, likely sales, etc.

    They are stuck with Windows. They appear to be stuck with an $85 unit cost as well.

    They have $85 less to spend on the actual physical components - yet they still have to hit consumer price points.

    If the Windows offering doesn't look like it is going to to all that well - they can't recklessly over invest and go bankrupt - that would be stupid.

    Pretty obvious.
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  3. #43


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    SIW2 posted
    I think you have completely missed the point of the last few posts.
    OK, I am with you on that in direct reference to the posts immediately prior to mine.

    I however was trying to support the idea of a tablet with the keyboard input.
    Should the final product have a I5 embedded 4GB ram and 120ssd I would be sorely tempted for traveling
    but would be running it in modified desktop mode with all my win7 programs and never download an app.

    I totally agree with the overall theme running through this thread.
    I have a Android tablet because I do not want to get locked in to Apple
    and am not at all in favour of the obvious direction MS is heading
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  4. #44


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    Well, it looks like the tablet war will be fought by Microsoft and apple...

    U.S. judge issues injunction on Samsung Galaxy Tab sales - Technology & science - Tech and gadgets - msnbc.com

    The Samsung galaxy 10.1 android tablet cannot be sold in the US anymore. It was considered to be a contender against the ipad, not anymore. The Surface and other Windows 8 tablets will be taking on the ipad...10 cents says Windows 8 wins that front!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Well, it looks like the tablet war will be fought by Microsoft and apple...

    U.S. judge issues injunction on Samsung Galaxy Tab sales - Technology & science - Tech and gadgets - msnbc.com

    The Samsung galaxy 10.1 android tablet cannot be sold in the US anymore. It was considered to be a contender against the ipad, not anymore. The Surface and other Windows 8 tablets will be taking on the ipad...10 cents says Windows 8 wins that front!
    That was unfair to Samsung Manufacturer of one of the laptop supplies. Thinking of how will they react after what have done to Samsung.
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  6. #46


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    "Should Apple continue to make legal claims based on such a generic design patent, design innovation and progress in the industry could be restricted."
    I have to agree with that.

    Apple is US based and Samsung is foreign.

    We shall see what the Washington High Court says.

    Apple are trying it elsewhere too - Motorola won the right to compete.

    That wouldn't happen in the UK - if there was later shown to be an infringement it would be settled by damage payments - we don't do that restricting competition thing.
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  7. #47


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    A $200-$300 Apple tablet will shake things up.

    If they are willing to take the risk, a $600-$700 mini macbook would decimate forthcoming pc sales.

    I don't know if they will do that - perhaps they fell they don't have to. Just let MS depress pc sales on their own.
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  8. #48


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Well, it looks like the tablet war will be fought by Microsoft and apple...

    U.S. judge issues injunction on Samsung Galaxy Tab sales - Technology & science - Tech and gadgets - msnbc.com

    The Samsung galaxy 10.1 android tablet cannot be sold in the US anymore. It was considered to be a contender against the ipad, not anymore. The Surface and other Windows 8 tablets will be taking on the ipad...10 cents says Windows 8 wins that front!
    Since Apple is from Cupertino, California, and Samsung is from Seoul, South Korea, isn't it a conflict of interest having a Californian judge make a ruling that applies to the entire US? Good thing this BS don’t affect import in Canada.
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  9. #49


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    I see things Microsoft do the same as anyone else, its absolutely pathetic, and i have no sympathy for them. That start menu is a complete joke, as is. There is a simple solution i would like them to consider, and that is, why don't they construct the damn thing themselves, and then the user can add or subtract what he wants. I don't care what anyone else says about Microsoft, but i do respect the guys from ZD Net and the Tech Republic, and I know they wouldn't put Microsoft down without good reason.
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  10. #50


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    Does anybody know what the specific infringement is.
    It appears to be something trivial like the case design.
    It cant be anything relating to the OS otherwise they would be in direct conflict with google.
    I hope they loose the $2.6m they have deposited in case of conflict, although it is peanuts in the global tablet war.
    10in. android tablets with ICS are now beginning to hit the market at under £200 in the UK
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