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Microsoft's big mistake ???

  1. #31


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    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    You didn't ask me but I'll answer.

    The entire handling of the metro apps issue. They will ONLY be available through the app store. Hows that for locking things down? Also the free dev tools now ONLY create Metro apps. More lock down. No more going to a web site or a store and buying a piece of software and installing it. You have to submit your software to MS for approval and then THEY get a cut of your profits. Forced middleman. It's highway robbery actually.

    That and all the tie ins with the Microsoft cloud. The entire OS is geared towards getting you into Microsoft services. They pay lip service to being interoperable with other social sites but everything is all about the MS services on shipment. It'll remain to be seen if they "don't approve" of competing service apps in the app store like Apple does, but it's a dangerous possibility.

    The entire thrust of this OS is to attach you to and put you through all of Microsoft's on line and continuous revenue generating systems.

    Now of course for now one can avoid it... for now... but the entire thing is a scary and dangerous precedent for the future of windows. We can all SEE the models they are so desperately trying to emulate and most of us HATE those models which is why we are Microsoft users in the first place...
    as you said "Now of course for now one can avoid it... for now."

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  2. #32


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    Enthusiasts can avoid it.

    The average user probably won't realise they are being pushed.

    ...most of us HATE those models which is why we are Microsoft users in the first place...
    Bang on.

    Right from the draft oem license when there was an attempt to lock all win8 machines via secure boot ( I think it may have been a double bluff ), through to the removal of the start menu - the sole purpose of which is to keep thrusting the screen full of apps. and online servicing at the average user - is aggressive and unwelcome behaviour .

    It is counter productive.

    Offer people something - if they want it - they will willingly take it up.

    Force it at them - they will tell you where to go.
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  3. #33


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    xp , 7Pro, 8RP, Android phone, Tablet


    There are users and there are users ( a bit cryptic deliberately!)
    My definitions to simply divide the user base into two categories.
    Social Users (Internet- social networks - shopping, email , music, games such as Angry Birds.
    Professional /Corporate Users who have to create content in much more detail as well as just look up info.
    Why do you think blackberries were issued as mobile phones by the corporates they had a keypad.
    Both my son and daughter have an Iphone 4, Ipads and a Blackberry no prizes for guessing which is the company issue.
    I will place money on the fact that the bloggers type a page on "real" keyboards - tweeters can use the touchscreen.
    They also use my 10.1 inch Android tablet when at my house because it has a BT keyboard and a larger screen
    MS have really got it right, They are offering a superb solution, albeit at a price I guess, for those to do more than type the equivalent of a text message.
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  4. #34


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    Thanks besb,

    I think you have completely missed the point of the last few posts.
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  5. #35


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    Post by Fseal
    You didn't ask me but I'll answer.

    The entire handling of the metro apps issue. They will ONLY be available through the app store. Hows that for locking things down? Also the free dev tools now ONLY create Metro apps. More lock down. No more going to a web site or a store and buying a piece of software and installing it. You have to submit your software to MS for approval and then THEY get a cut of your profits. Forced middleman. It's highway robbery actually.

    That and all the tie ins with the Microsoft cloud. The entire OS is geared towards getting you into Microsoft services. They pay lip service to being interoperable with other social sites but everything is all about the MS services on shipment. It'll remain to be seen if they "don't approve" of competing service apps in the app store like Apple does, but it's a dangerous possibility.

    The entire thrust of this OS is to attach you to and put you through all of Microsoft's on line and continuous revenue generating systems.

    Now of course for now one can avoid it... for now... but the entire thing is a scary and dangerous precedent for the future of windows. We can all SEE the models they are so desperately trying to emulate and most of us HATE those models which is why we are Microsoft users in the first place...
    In my opinion spot on. This is the bit they have got wrong. They have all but completely shut down the windows live gadgets.
    They were 100s of them F.O.C, although the majority were really noddy, some were exceedingly useful and I have them on my Win8 system. The public has forgotten the sensible way to purchase anything is to compare the lifetime cost of ownership of the various offerings. An acquaintance of mine purchased a 27 inch mac (It looks great , runs great, cost a small fortune) but is now moaning that all the software required to match his windows system he replaced costs 100s more. I solved it for him by putting Windows emulation on it. Lesson learn't at a cost of 2000, DO NOT GET LOCKED IN. I have a feeling Linux will be the winner if MS continue down this path.
    besb
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  6. #36


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    Report: Microsoft Tablet Is The Result of Partner Failures
    Just read this today about the Surface tablet and how apple is becoming more of an evil empire than just a tech company. apple bloody bought a mine JUST for the case of the ipad. It's becoming enraging at this point at their audacity. Honestly, I want the Surface to succeed just give them a massive middle finger...
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  7. #37


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Report: Microsoft Tablet Is The Result of Partner Failures
    Just read this today about the Surface tablet and how apple is becoming more of an evil empire than just a tech company. apple bloody bought a mine JUST for the case of the ipad. It's becoming enraging at this point at their audacity. Honestly, I want the Surface to succeed just give them a massive middle finger...

    "
    Microsoft reportedly learned from sources that Apple bought large quantities of high-quality aluminum from a mine in Australia specifically for the iPad's case."

    Come on What kind of BS is that; you don't purchase aluminium from a mine, in the mine it's bauxite, Australia is the second productor of bauxite in the world, they bring it to a place like China and Russia , here in Quebec we get it from South America. They first transform the bauxite in alumina and then by electrolysis they extract the pure Aluminium from the alumina. You need a huge quantity of electricity to do so, Rusal Aluminium the bigest Al producer is now planing to open a melter in Quebec because we have plenty of electricity and it's cheaper than in Russia.

    China produce more aluminium than all the other country in the world, they get their bauxite from Australia, so if Apple purchase a mine, it's probably to make money not to use it for their iPad. IN Arvida here in Quebec they produce enough Al in 1 hour to manufacture iPad case for the next 1000 years, a mines lol.
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  8. #38


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    I read somewhere - quite a while back that Apple had pre-booked the factories capable of producing those milled from single piece of alu cases they use.

    They did that to an ensure uninterrupted supply.

    Allegedly, that stopped anyone else having access to them.

    I don't know if it is true - or if so - if it still applies.

    That might be what the story is referring to.
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  9. #39


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    Any Aluminium factory can produce the ingot ( that's the real name ) the size the customer want. In the place I born, half of the peoples work in Aluminium plants, when I was young I see everyday train with 30 to 40 hoppers of bauxite pas twice a day near my house. The company Alcan ( at the time) now Rio Tinto Alcan have is own railroad company and her own port. I born in a Aluminium place.
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    Th oem's are in a tough spot.

    They remember depressed sales in the Vista era - they are not expecting Win8 to do very well.

    Win8 is not going to help laptop/desktop sales at all.

    In terms of tablets - there is a huge mountain to climb.

    I get the impression oem's are cutting back - not risking going bankrupt.

    They can't stop trading altogether and sit it out for 3 years.

    There will therefore be a range of machines for win8 - oem's will try to make them sell, of course- make them look pretty, talk it up at the trade shows, etc.

    However, there is not a full on commitment. They can't afford to take the risk.

    Seems as though MS surface range is there to bolster what will be on offer - it adds to the range on sale, and it shows a level of commitment from MS themselves.

    The downside is, if Surfi don't sell spectacularly - it doesn't help.

    If Surfi do sell well - it just takes sales away from the oem's.
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