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Windows 8: Give Microsoft credit for betting the farm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Well they have something now no one else will want to be copying!
    I think that is the point they're trying to make.

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    The point being made at the expense of the desktop OS that is!

    I think MS realizes this would be the only time they could "experiment" with everyone's patience since they are still trying to get their corporate base of customers to upgrade as far as 7! especially after Vista received the bad rep and lack of sales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    The point being made at the expense of the desktop OS that is!

    I think MS realizes this would be the only time they could "experiment" with everyone's patience since they are still trying to get their corporate base of customers to upgrade as far as 7! especially after Vista received the bad rep and lack of sales.
    Sounds plausible to me.
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    Well 7 is still the current version presently in use since 8 isn't out on the shelves presently. The 600million + licenses sold show 7 has continued to gain in popularity as well as people only now moving into the present version due to need for a new machine or need for the improved hardware support lacking in previous versions(mostly 2000, XP).

    The main problem with this type of major overhaul is not simply a new gui but how is simply being dumped everybody all at once rather then a progressive change leading away from. Despite any and all core improvements cleverly hidden system option menus, no visual option to shut down, logoff, restart, or put into sleep or hibernation mode is present.

    It's a "can you find me" puzzle game replacing a desktop OS with hidden caverns or places to place the cursor before anything appears that has to be just right or it won't! If you just happen to "bump into something in the dark" you wonder "what the... was that?"

    And one other thing about applying the 3rd party help is when powering up the next time something else will be missing! The Start button for Start Menu 7 or a blank space when using the Classic Shell since this is no check off box to see the "start up with Windows" option applied in either! I ended up pinning Classic Shell to the Start screen in both installs to the second HD and on VBox being the only VM where the RP will install to.

    Now imagine not having all your programs pinned on the Start screen once they all on and then what? You have to go through Windows Explorer or Computer to find the executable for each one just to create a new desktop shortcut to pin to either or both the Start screen and task bar.

    Gee it must be nice having the resources MS has in order to play "Spin the Wheel" with their main product without actually using any foresight on how it will be perceived by their main customer base! And it will be a big gambit since most will simply shun the changes automatically without second thought one just one look!
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    You know all those holdouts from XP and Vista? Well...

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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    And it will be a big gambit since most will simply shun the changes automatically without second thought one just one look!
    And that's what happened to Vista. Personally I never had a problem with it once I spent time and drilled down to remove all the dross. Didn't really take that long to get Vista up to speed but most people I knew rejected it out of hand simply due to maybe what they had read in a mag or heard from a friend. That's the reality of first impressions.

    If MS genuinely believe that normal users are going to take the time out to find out how to get the most from their latest and greatest then they are sadly deluded. They (MS) are living in a bubble over this. I'm looking forward to see how this plays out but they do not have the same slavish following that fashion accessory Apple has managed to create. Sure promote paid for downloaded apps and monthly subscription computing but it will not automatically be adopted like the Apple user flock.
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    "Living in an MS bubble" would sum that up even further! Unlike others I got right into Vista and took care of a few things like disabling the side bar. That was an annoyance added along with finding out how to disable the UAC. Easy enough simply uncheck one box under Control Panel>User Accounts and call it a day!

    Yet how many rejected Vista simply by not taking a look?! Yet despite three main things Vista was far easier to work with. 1)MS understated the need for 2gb stating 512mb as minimum. Wrong! 2)UAC had to go! uncheck box please! and 3) annoyance of side bar easily disabled with right click on bar, uncheck start up with Windows option!

    Slower then XP? You could look at the 95/98 contrast where when first looking at 98 when running 95 that was also the new larger OS! Yet it offered far more 32bit support then OR2 for 95 already included. And yet out of the Legacy versions 98 still lives on with many! Gee may be when the RP expires I'll set up another dual boot? Dual-Boot Windows 98/Me and Windows 7 on your Windows 7 computer

    First you have to get past the 512mb barrier however in order to 98 even load up! That was a dos move required when booted from an old 98 boot floppy to edit a system file in dos! The VM option however was good enough when tried last!

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    Gee now I will need to replace the second XP seen there with the RP! Or I could run a 7 VM on 8 for the new look? naaaaa....

    One thing I still haven't tried out yet is installing Limux Mint Debian on an NTFS primary since that and Linux Mint are supposed to be able to unlike others like ubuntu. That will depend on just how well the RP works out in other ways besides the gui changes as a second OS based on how and what compatibility issue remain.
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    Hi all It seems M$ has upset a few of their users again.

    So should M$ refer to Windows-8 as Windows-Hate or Windows-Wait ?
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    MS have upset a huge number of their customers.

    The tragedy is - it is so needless.
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  10. #30


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    MS have upset a huge number of their customers.

    The tragedy is - it is so needless.
    It would have helped if they had called the thing MS Metro rather than Win8. The inference calling it Win8 is that it is the successor to Win7. You have a phone/tablet OS being passed off as a one size fits all!!!
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