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Windows 8: Give Microsoft credit for betting the farm

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I think he may be right about one thing.

    I suspect MS are going to have to put an enormous investment behind this thing to have any chance of reasonable sales figures.

    It isn't going to sell itself, that's for sure.
    The thing is, eventually it will be preinstalled on new PC's. Microsoft will get sales regardless of whether people want Windows 8 or not. Then they will brag about the sales. You'll never hear the end of it from our two resident Microsoft spin doctors either.

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  2. #12


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    You'll certainly see new "touchscreen" laptops and desktops running 8. I doubt you will many new machines with 8 sold however since not all OEM are all set to go with touchscreen this and touchscreen that. And then you add the higher price for any touchscreen portable or desktop over systems still sold with 7 on them.

    I certainly can't see 8 being any type of big seller for several reasons. As far as performance so far I haven't actually seen any large boost over 7. Plus with the CP or RP you are not running hardly anything on it while your 7 install by now is loaded with plenty of startup items! Any clean install with just the basics will always appear to be much faster!
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  3. #13


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    I am always seeing comment that say, "MS needs to innovate" or "they never innovate".

    I disagree, MS comes up with a lot of "tweaks" in their software.
    The problem is they usually do a half-a***d job of implementing them.

    Whilst it's understandable that "a bunch of volunteers working out of their basements" might do this, it always astounds me that a multi-billion dollar company uses the same development process.

    You want an example?
    Word.
    Instead of fixing the glitches, MS spends all of its time (and money) modifying the GUI.

    The other day I was typing up a document (Word 2007) and the "Page Breaks" broke.
    I had two blocks of text separated by a "Page Break", on the same page!
    This happened multiple times (this was the first time I've seen this particular glitch).
    To fix the problem, I had to reapply the "Page Breaks".

    How do you get a fullscreen Print Preview in Word 2010?
    Who decided that nobody uses fullscreen previews?

    There's a button in the Quick Access commands list.
    We added it to the Quick Access area, but it was perpetually greyed out.
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    How do you get a fullscreen Print Preview in Word 2010?
    Who decided that nobody uses fullscreen previews?
    Easy! Take a snipping of the window the document is opened in and set as your wallpaper! That would be the MS solution rather then simply waiting years to updates fix bugs in things! XP as well as other MS office products are a fine example of "Who cares?"! They already made their money!

    Now as far as innovation no one says their are not innovative like you are saying but how they apply the innovations is seen as a prime example with the Metro being tossed in everyone's faces! With 8 the focus is no longer on the Desktop edtions but how it will look in the portable, mobile market place. And as expected most will now be waiting for 9 or 10 or whatever in order to upgrade into any newer version of a "Desktop OS".
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    I like the line "Microsoft is trying to make its customers think different." I love that. Unlike apple and their "be different," Microsoft is truly living up to that mantra. All apple did was brand themselves as someone different and not Microsoft, like you're part of a secular elite that knows everything and knows that apple is the best. That's really it.

    But Microsoft is taking "thinking different" to a WHOLE extreme with the metro UI design. It will be everywhere. It changes the way we use and interact will ALL PCs, touch and non-touch, mobile and non-mobile. It will even change how we interact with our phones and game consoles. Though the change will have its naysayers, overall, I bet it will do well. Metro design is new, fresh, different, and modern. You have to admit it, NOTHING out there even remotely looks like it not ios, android, mac os, Linux, or even Windows 7. It's a huge break from the mold.

    Metro Microsoft.....
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    The problem is that it may be on everything but not best suited for the desktop to begin with! Rather then getting a new desktop version of the OS you are only going to end up with a large billboard sign for Mobile MS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You have to admit it, NOTHING out there even remotely looks like it not ios, android, mac os, Linux, or even Windows 7. It's a huge break from the mold.
    Can't disagree with that statement but you have to wonder why nothing else in the wild looks like Metro. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    How do you get a fullscreen Print Preview in Word 2010?
    Who decided that nobody uses fullscreen previews?
    Easy! Take a snipping of the window the document is opened in and set as your wallpaper! That would be the MS solution rather then simply waiting years to updates fix bugs in things! XP as well as other MS office products are a fine example of "Who cares?"! They already made their money!
    Good one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Now as far as innovation no one says their are not innovative like you are saying but how they apply the innovations is seen as a prime example with the Metro being tossed in everyone's faces!
    Apple and Linux fanboys are always saying that (on other sites I visit).

    When MS does do something, the response is that they are simply copying Apple or Linux.

    In fact the current mantra is that MS can't even copy Apple without screwing up (W8 vs iPad).
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    Well they have something now no one else will want to be copying! The unfortunate side will be the retail look will likely be the exact same as you see now with the Metro. The color selector slider bar.

    Would you want the beta fish wallpaper seen on the retail 7 10/22/09 launch? So far 8 doesn't offer much in the selection there either while 7 saw hidden themes and wallpapers to discover! Now you just see some pretty flowers and not much else until you can get some other backgrounds on the partition or drive where 8 is installed.

    Of course as we all know the prerelease Windows is always a little skimpy allowing the user to make choices later as far as customizing appearance to some extent anyways. I don't think the Fruit Company or open source community would go as far as radically change the main gui however while they may see more options for things like the KDE and Gnome desktops with the open source.

    I never got into the Fruit Company as far as running that OS in any form or would likely unless 9, 10, 11 also promised nothing to look forward to either! "I want my Windows desktop OS back! " "Too bad! We're the Big, Bad, and Bold MS! and "WE" tell you how things will be!" as one analogy could illustrate.

    Rather then immediately abandon Windows to run elsewhere would be kind of ridiculus as well. If you have been a Windows user all along what softwares do you generally run? Written for .... Windows!
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    The sheer cost of changing to Apple simply because I'm not (and probably never will be) a convert to Win8 as it stands is simply not viable. Linux may work well for some but until the Adobe folks port over their software then that's a no go for me as well.

    So like many I will simply stay with my Win7 rig. It's working well with a small SSD for the programs and a conventional HD plus 8gb memory.

    Personally I just wish MS would come out with the obvious. Win8 is for phones and tablets and Win7 is for desktops/laptops. Stop trying to push water uphill and convince all and sundry that this is the way things are going to be with Win8. The desktop and laptop are not dead. The user base is too huge for that.
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