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Final thoughts on Windows 8: A design disaster

  1. #31


    Hafnarfjrur IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there.

    I've customized W2K3 SERVER to run as a fantastic desktop OS -- complete with games etc and it STILL beats the H/S out of 7.
    It allows me to run old EXPENSIVE hardware that never had drivers for 7 -- manufacturer no longer around but the plotter hardware I have is still functioning perfectly.

    I've virtualized it now -- but it still works fantastically well -- no point on upgrading just for the sake of it.

    I only upgraded to 7 once I got a laptop with an I5 CPU + 8 GB RAM in it and a desktop with a quad cpu and 16 GB RAM. With these I really needed 64 bit capable OS'es although most of what I do could be done just as easiliy on the W3K3 system -- even DVD playing and unlike most server systems W2K3 even had sound enabled.

    While I can never be 100% sure most of the sort of sites I visit on the web aren't likely to be riddled with viruses -- I've never in all my years of using computer gear ever experienced a virus of any sort.

    Most of the reasons people give you for updating are usually rubbish -- once you've got an OS working the way YOU want it to do then don't switch just because somebody says -- no updates / security updates after xxxx. So what if you are using the system correctly.

    If you want or need to use new features for example creating multi-media stuff needs a much more powerful machine than just doing email or Word then that's a sensible reason for upgrading.

    I am messing around with W8 just out of curiosity -- and I DO like the Windows to Go feature -- but would I BUY W8 in its current state --- probably not. If I had to have it I'd still keep running my office apps etc from the W2K3 virtual server VM I have -- then all talk of the start menu etc is irrelevant.

    Any 2 year old will tell you that Metro has absolutely ZERO place on a desktop OS. (Note the classic Start menu isn't so nice either when you have a zillion applications with loads of menus, sub menus, sub sub menus etc).

    I'm still not sure what Ms is trying to do with this OS. The really only interesting feature is the Windows to GO -- but apparently only available on Enterprise (not available by retail) and from what I've seen so far this OS is going to be totally shunned by any business --large or small.

    It might work on a tablet --but latest releases of Android are good --I hated android at first but google seem to be learning really fast about constructing an OS -- just needs a few more security features and then why bother with Windows on a tablet at all --
    Android is also FREE BTW so Ms have another hurdle to overcome.

    This OS won't be the "Vista" of MS but the total joke OS that Ms put out and thankfully died the death very quickly -- Windows Millenium.

    I think W8 is a great toy -- but as a workhorse OS -- no way yet. Stick with W7.

    Almost any computer will show dramatic improvements if you can afford an SSD -- this IMO would be better value for money than a W8 upgrade.

    I'll continue playing with it for a little while yet and see if Ms does anything -- otherwise get ready to ditch Ms's stock as fast as possible. It will go downhill quicker than Kodak or even Nokia.

    cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #32


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    Almost any computer will show dramatic improvements if you can afford an SSD -- this IMO would be better value for money than a W8 upgrade.

    jimbo
    I'm guessing Win8 Pro 64-bit would be around 120 - so I'm sold for my Main M/C - any recs as to which SSD mfg - I'm on Sata2 only here!
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  3. #33


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    If you hold the shift key down and click the IE icon on the taskbar it will open a second instance of IE instead of taking you to the already open window. Works with just about any Icon on the taskbar. If you are trying to aviod the Metro start screen like me, this helps a lot.
    I am well aware of various keyboard shortcuts and how to open multiple windows. That wasn't the point I was making however. If you using the point and click method as most will do automatically not being office workers familiar with all the tricks the back and forth momentum is continual for those not familiar with pinning things on either the taskbar or Start screen. The entire process for the novice user then becomes tedious and clumbersome putting it mildly.
    I totally agree!
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  4. #34


    Hafnarfjrur IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    Samsung M3 or vertex seem to be the main choices -- I go for the 120 GB Samsung --really fast. I'm on my 4th one -- two in laptops (Sony VAIO large laptop, and an ACER aspire 1 netbook) and two SSD's in my desktop.

    On a laptop the 120 GB size is actually more than enough -- any extra data I take a usb stick (32 GB) or a small 1 TB external USB drive. Both items small enough to put in the computer case without even noticing you've got them.

    The performance of the SSD make it a sure winner in every situation.

    Until you've tried one it's almost impossible to explain the dramatic improvement -- you'll wonder how you ever managed without one. Works wonders even on modest hardware too.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #35


    Rotterdam, The Netherlands
    Posts : 117
    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows XP SP3 32-bit


    The underlying OS is good but the desktop experience is a lesson in bad design.

    An example:

    An operating system that requires most new users on a desktop to do a Google search in order to find out how to shut the damn thing down is simple bad design. There is no other way you can describe it. It's also not very environmentally friendly if Microsoft expect everyone to leave their tablet or desktop running 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, simply because they have made it so complicated for people to work out how to shut it down.

    The dismal reception of Windows 8 so far also reflects Redmonds seeming inability, or unwillingness, to listen to what seems to be the majority of testers complaints. You know, people talk about dumbing things down in general, but I must say that the Metro interface would look more at home on a Fisher Price toy computer than on my desktop.
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  6. #36


    Don't worry, Win8 will come with a startup tutorial for dummies.
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  7. #37


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Soundtweaker View Post
    Don't worry, Win8 will come with a startup tutorial for dummies.
    That title will never have been more literally true. An alternative in academic style could be, "An Essay on Design Failure".
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  8. #38


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Lighten up dude, I don't think that comment was meant to infer that any of us are dummies. You have heard of the "For Dummies" books haven't you?
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  9. #39


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Lighten up dude, I don't think that comment was meant to infer that any of us are dummies. You have heard of the "For Dummies" books haven't you?
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  10. #40


    USA
    Posts : 100
    Windows 7 Professional


    Yea, I'm sorry it was phrased a bit strongly, in my opinion. It sounded like he was calling us dummies. I deleted my above post, so there is nothing to worry about now
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