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Move from Windows 8 to 8.1 NOW!!!

  1. #21


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    The "Note" listed in Option One here, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 ISO - Download or Create, pretty well spells it out.

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  2. #22



    Trying to Sith things out
    Bamberg Germany
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    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    The "Note" listed in Option One here, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 ISO - Download or Create, pretty well spells it out.
    Oh, ok, I just have to follow the links. I find it kind of odd that people have so many problems and I have never had any. I guess I just get lucky and buy the right products and not mess around(until I create an image).

    For example my Lenovo came with 8.1 update. When windows first installed after reading online about having to update/grade, I thought I had to do it. After several failed attempts, I found out online, I already had 8.1 update, in that I had, the shutdown button on the Start Screen.
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  3. #23


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    I think a lot of it comes from people still using an old download they got from somewhere ages ago. And don't realize there is a new one with no hoops to have to jump through. Before I was an MVP I had to resort to bit torrent to find an ISO to do a clean install of 8.0 on my laptop. Then, the only official download from Microsoft showed up. You had to enter a key to actually get it and it didn't accept OEM keys. That download wouldn't install with an 8.0 key either. You had to install with an 8.1 key, then change key to activate with your 8.0 key. See what I mean about jumping through hoops? They got a lot of flack over that and finally came up with the Media Creation Tool download. The new option one in the tutorial. No key needed to download, accepts 8.0 keys and 8.1 keys, retail or OEM embedded keys also. It just works. The only tricky part is knowing what version to download and install. Core, Pro, or SL. Other than that its pretty easy to use and will create your bootable install media for you, if you want. Or an ISO file. I use the Pro download from there because it will fit on a 4 gig thumb drive. My MSDN ISO won't.
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  4. #24



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    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit


    I guess as coding improves too, they can find better ways of doing things, I mean for example the UEFI technology is relatively new, and embedded keys also, they just had to find which way and when to "read " the embedded key from BIOS was better. Look at how silky smooth it goes with 10 now. like McDonalds say's "I'm Lovin' it!!"
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  5. #25


    VA USA
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    W8.1up1 Pro x64 w/media center


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    You don't need a modified ISO by the way. This install media, Create installation media for Windows 8.1 - Windows Help , doesn't require a key to download and will use Windows 8.0 and 8.1 keys for install and activation. Even OEM embedded keys. If I install 8.1 from that link it uses my laptops OEM embedded key for Windows 8.0 automatically. I'm not prompted to enter a key and it activates online automatically with no issues. The latest MSDN ISO's will also accept Windows 8.0 and 8.1 keys, and use OEM embedded keys automatically. You don't really even need to know what your OEM key is. All you need to know is what version the key is for, Core, Pro, or Single Language, etc.
    yup, got that one when it was posted, put it n a USB stick for reference, along with my USB boot stick for repairs and recoverys But this was "after" all the hell that broke out with people not being able to update/upgrade one or the other installed WOS's. I'm assuming that W10 will be on the same page this time,and WILL install just looking for the key on your system. the problem arises when besides the key, it just won't install properly, good key or not like my 8.1 ran into trying to do the on-line sp1 update that time. but now I have that 8.1 installer w/update on the USB so its all there now anyway, as I stated, I probably will never use it anyhow, I only recover using my most recent image.
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  6. #26



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    Quote Originally Posted by HOODY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    You don't need a modified ISO by the way. This install media, Create installation media for Windows 8.1 - Windows Help , doesn't require a key to download and will use Windows 8.0 and 8.1 keys for install and activation. Even OEM embedded keys. If I install 8.1 from that link it uses my laptops OEM embedded key for Windows 8.0 automatically. I'm not prompted to enter a key and it activates online automatically with no issues. The latest MSDN ISO's will also accept Windows 8.0 and 8.1 keys, and use OEM embedded keys automatically. You don't really even need to know what your OEM key is. All you need to know is what version the key is for, Core, Pro, or Single Language, etc.
    yup, got that one when it was posted, put it n a USB stick for reference, along with my USB boot stick for repairs and recoverys But this was "after" all the hell that broke out with people not being able to update/upgrade one or the other installed WOS's. I'm assuming that W10 will be on the same page this time,and WILL install just looking for the key on your system. the problem arises when besides the key, it just won't install properly, good key or not like my 8.1 ran into trying to do the on-line sp1 update that time. but now I have that 8.1 installer w/update on the USB so its all there now anyway, as I stated, I probably will never use it anyhow, I only recover using my most recent image.
    I'm basically set up like you. But Install media is good to have(or at least a copy of the ISO) for running some DISM commands to fix or turn things on, like .NET 3.5 or repairing a corruption quickly without having to re-image.
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  7. #27


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    There are drawbacks also. If I use my stock Windows 8.1 MSDN ISO on my laptop, Windows 8.1 Core gets installed automatically. I have no choice. It reads the 8.0 OEM key. I then have to use Add Features to go to Pro with my TechNet key. It takes a fair amount of time to do it too. To get around that I have to modify my ISO and add a PID.txt file with the Pro key in it. Pro then gets installed instead of core. That means that install media can only be used on that PC. It's no big deal for me, I use custom install media for each PC anyway. I add custom OEM info for that PC to the system page etc.

    I've seen posts where somebody bought a Retail 8.x Pro DVD and then wondered why it only installed Core. The OEM key got in the way.
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  8. #28



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    I don't know much about this stuff, but can't one keep windows from reading the key when installing? I have never reinstalled 8.1 as I just cleaned it out after initial install(everyone needs a hobby) and it's the same install(re-imaged a couple of times to clean out theming modifications, but still the same installation).
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  9. #29


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    No, its coded to look for it. You can get around it, adding a PID.txt file is one way. I could also just install the Pro version from the Media Creation Tool. If still looks for my key but rejects it as its only a Core key. I'll get prompted to enter a Pro key. For most people its no big deal, they will just be installing the version the PC came with. MSDN ISO's are Core and Pro and can install either version. The MCT download is Core or Pro. It can only install the one version.
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  10. #30



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    OK I get now. for the normal user it wouldn't(shouldn't?) be the same problem.
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