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Windows 8: What happens next?

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    No one has asked this yet. What about Windows 9?
    There won't be one.
    MS is trying to be the next RIM.

    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    [Sarcasm] Clearly there will be no desktop mode at all. I mean everyone knows the PC is dead, by the time windows 9 comes out there wont be a single PC left in existance and all the work everyone did on them will be er... not needable any more! [/sarcasm]
    That's exactly what the pro-Metro/Touch crowd actually think.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    No one has asked this yet. What about Windows 9?
    There won't be one.
    MS is trying to be the next RIM.

    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    [Sarcasm] Clearly there will be no desktop mode at all. I mean everyone knows the PC is dead, by the time windows 9 comes out there wont be a single PC left in existance and all the work everyone did on them will be er... not needable any more! [/sarcasm]
    That's exactly what the pro-Metro/Touch crowd actually think.
    My guess is that M$ paid some consulting agency a small fortune and this is what they were told.

    As if these agencies haven't been wrong before..most of the time.
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  3. #13


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    No one has asked this yet. What about Windows 9?
    Windows 9 - Windows 7 Forums
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  4. #14


    I have tried the better known third party start menus. All worked 100%.:
    Start Menu 7(3.88 and 4.3 : Power 8:Vistart and Vistastart.
    I think the article may have been referring to, or hinting at, the original, and now redundant, registry hack. I cannot see any way that Microsoft can stop a future registry exploitation.

    Forgot the Classic Menu. My own preference - working perfectly.
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  5. #15


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    [QUOTE=lehnerus2000;93485]
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    That's exactly what the pro-Metro/Touch crowd actually think.
    You are aware that laptops outsell desktops (and have for a few years), and for some time now iPads alone have outsold major hardware OEMs whole PC lines in certain quarters? The desktop is not dead, but it's not the future of what consumers really want either. Understanding Microsoft is going to make software for what people are clearly saying they want means things like Windows 8 are going to happen - it's designed for touch, and Microsoft (and OEM partners) are going to make software and hardware that make this work. Stuff we've all had for years isn't really the target.

    I don't want Windows 8 on my desktop PC (or my old laptop without a multitouch pad), but I like it more on my slate and I would expect on a multitouch pad laptop that allows me to do the same things without touching the screen.
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  6. #16


    Cluberti, you've pretty well got it figured out. Touchscreen devices are the wave of the future, and Windows 8 emphasizes touch screens. But if you go to the traditional desktop, it is a great OS for a desktop computer.
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  7. #17


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    Market Saturation


    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    You are aware that laptops outsell desktops (and have for a few years), and for some time now iPads alone have outsold major hardware OEMs whole PC lines in certain quarters? The desktop is not dead, but it's not the future of what consumers really want either. Understanding Microsoft is going to make software for what people are clearly saying they want means things like Windows 8 are going to happen - it's designed for touch, and Microsoft (and OEM partners) are going to make software and hardware that make this work. Stuff we've all had for years isn't really the target.
    You are comparing a saturated market (desktop PCs) to an unsaturated one (tablets).

    Of course there are more tablet sales than desktops sales:
    • Desktops last a long time (you don't have to throw them away after 6 months use).
    • They've been sold to people for ~30 years (i.e. most people who want one, have one).


    I'm sure MS want a slice of that action (consumer devices).
    MS is prepared to blow 1 billion existing user upgrades, to try and steal 100 million sales from Apple and Google.
    IMO, most Apple and Google users aren't going to swap to MS.

    If all you ever do is read email, watch YouTube and/or Twit, touch is OK.

    I use my computer to do "real" work.
    How is touch relevant to actually doing "real" work?

    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post

    Touch is the future, as long as the future doesn't include:

    • Creating spreadsheets.
    • Creating databases.
    • CAD programs.
    • Typing up giant reports, novels, etc..
    • VMs.
    • Editing audio, images and video.
    • etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    I don't want Windows 8 on my desktop PC (or my old laptop without a multitouch pad), but I like it more on my slate and I would expect on a multitouch pad laptop that allows me to do the same things without touching the screen.
    I have stated (on many occasions) that W8 will probably be OK on phones and tablets.
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    MS is prepared to blow 1 billion existing user upgrades, to try and steal 100 million sales from Apple and Google.
    IMO, most Apple and Google users aren't going to swap to MS.
    I know someone that owns/rents an iPhone. She said the call quality was poor so I suggested swapping it in for something that does work. Only if it's for another Apple. Kinda confirms my point that many Apple purchases are fashion accessories.

    Read a review that the Nokia Lumia phone is a bargain. But, irrespective as to how good Win8 or Android is, you won't break that Apple sort of mentality.
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  9. #19


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    Hi there
    For actual computing --unless you are hosting a load of servers are are into gaming in a big way - the Desktop IS DEAD -- and Buried too. BUT NOT LAPTOPS.

    Pretty well every office I have ever been to now issues both INTERNAL and EXTERNAL staff company laptops or in an increasing number of cases are encouraging external consultants to provide their own laptops.

    Tablets are "new fangled" devices that sit between Smart phones and traditional laptops.

    I don't actually think they are too long for this world either (might be in a minority of one but I'm sticking my neck out here -- that stupid agency "Gartners" thinks the PC will be obsolete in 2 years so I go to the opposite view-- well I'll bet that the tablet will pretty much have died by then or "Morphed" into a netbook with an attachable external keyboard and facilities for adding external USB devices -- I.e --you've guessed it -- a laptop. !!.

    In a new market people always go Bonkers over sales volumes but totally forget in a mature market these sales volumes diminish very substantially indeed.

    Anything that I could conceivably need a tablet for I can do quite comfortably on a Smart phone --especially the newer ones and the only possible application I might consider would be an e-book reader -- but 99% of any books that I want to access while I'm travelling I play as Audio Books through the phone. Much easier and portable too. The internal micro SD card holds 32 GB -- loads and loads of books at mp3 can be downloaded as well as music etc etc.

    I need a computer for things like presentations, spread sheets, financial analysis, Engineering design etc . All this stuff is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to do on an Ipad or any other 100% touch type device.

    W8 is fine but it must embrace 2 different sets of users to be a success.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #20


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Tablets are "new fangled" devices that sit between Smart phones and traditional laptops.

    I don't actually think they are too long for this world either (might be in a minority of one but I'm sticking my neck out here -- that stupid agency "Gartners" thinks the PC will be obsolete in 2 years so I go to the opposite view-- well I'll bet that the tablet will pretty much have died by then or "Morphed" into a netbook with an attachable external keyboard and facilities for adding external USB devices -- I.e --you've guessed it -- a laptop. !!.

    jimbo
    You're in a minority of 2 over this as I agree 101% about those tablets as they stand at the moment. I've tried my wife's iPad and it's interesting for browsing but that's about it in my world. I still need a conventional mouse and keyboard for my work.

    The problem with all these statistics is they go on and on about how many new units have been shipped and fail to take into account net growth although how they would get those figures I have no idea. Maybe, just maybe, the tablet market is not far off saturation point.
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