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  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    @veryex, I probably generalised a bit too much, but WMC is only used by about 6% of users,
    As a long-time Media Center user for Recorded TV, I can believe 6% of Windows users stumbled upon Media Center and launched it by accident. Once. I would be surprised if the number of real users is 1/100 of that. I've never met anyone IRL who had any idea what Media Center is.

    playing a DVD could be even less, from Microsoft, I don't believe they would have any reason to make that up. The Start button I have no idea of the usage, but again from Microsoft, a lot of people don't even know what it's there for.
    As lousy an interface as the Start Button and the Start Menu are, it's silly to believe there's any truth to what you say about "a lot of people not knowing what it's there for". You have to use the Start Menu to use Windows, and it's been part of Windows since 1995. From reading posts here, it's the only thing people actually understand; hardly anyone gets the Windows 7 taskbar. (NB: As I've posted many times, I thought the Start Menu was garbage since I first saw it in the NT4 beta, because it's hard to navigate, and IT GOES AWAY when you select something from it, forcing you to do the navigation all over again the next time. For me, its primary use has been as a repository for program icons that I copy to more useful places, like pinning them to the Windows 7 taskbar, which has completely replaced the program launchers I used in earlier versions of Windows. Now that thing with pinning, progress indicators, jump lists, etc was a slam-dunk of goodness.)

    The main thing is that MS is trying to get this OS right across the board from Desktop to Tablets and Phones, some of these systems will have much less power, hence the need to drop any extra baggage.
    Hopefully they are doing this right, if they are, one day we'll look back at this and laugh, like we do at the people on XP. If they're doing it wrong, we might all end up making Apple even more money.
    So, despite computers getting more and more powerful, it's time for Microsoft to sacrifice the capabilities of its flagship OS on the altar of trying to achieve a foolish consistency with severely constrained devices that require an incompatible, markedly different interface (touch) in a market they blew? I think Windows 8 should be known as Windows HE, for "Hobgoblin Edition". Oh, and since you seem to be into laughing at people, this is at you:

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  2. #22


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    No good laughing at me mate, I couldn't care less which way they go. It's you people who can't drag themselves out of the past who need pitying. Regardless of your protests MS will do what it's go to do, and yeah I know, you'll go to Linux.
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    No good laughing at me mate, I couldn't care less which way they go. It's you people who can't drag themselves out of the past who need pitying. Regardless of your protests MS will do what it's go to do, and yeah I know, you'll go to Linux.
    No, its M$ that are putting themselves pitiful right now because they are driving many people away from Windows 8, by either staying to Windows 7, switching to Mac or Linux and you do know that you people who are liking what Microsoft is doing right now is a minority so why would you pity us? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? We have rights to protest our claim and be heard but some people like you would arrogantly think that we couldn't drive ourselves away from the past. Not all of us wanted touch like you even if you argue that is the way of the future. Remember not all changes are for the better.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    No good laughing at me mate, I couldn't care less which way they go. It's you people who can't drag themselves out of the past who need pitying. Regardless of your protests MS will do what it's go to do, and yeah I know, you'll go to Linux.
    No, its M$ that are putting themselves pitiful right now because they are driving many people away from Windows 8, by either staying to Windows 7, switching to Mac or Linux and you do know that you people who are liking what Microsoft is doing right now is a minority so why would you pity us? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? We have rights to protest our claim and be heard but some people like you would arrogantly think that we couldn't drive ourselves away from the past. Not all of us wanted touch like you even if you argue that is the way of the future. Remember not all changes are for the better.
    It might look as if I'm the minority, but that's because this is a tech site, the majority of people aren't that into tech, as proven by Apple products. As far as touch goes, that certainly is the future, as is mobile. The younger generation isn't even interested in PC's, so as you can see, sites like this are skewed towards older tech guys(like me by the way),who don't particularly want change.

    Look I can see where you guys are coming from, but the world isn't going to change for the sake of a few techies, when all the money is going to mobile computing. I know it's easy to rubbish MS they are a big target, and to be honest I think they've always listened to people to a great extent, as opposed to Apple who listen to no one.

    I'm sure, just as in the past Microsoft will bend again and listen to people, but they also have to do what they think is going to work for them, they have a huge obligation to shareholders and their user base. I know it's pretty easy to sit on the sidelines and throw rocks at them, but I doubt the job is as easy as we all like to think.

    Me personally, I would rather see MS succeed than fail and if they have to do things I don't always like, then so be it. I'd rather be in a MS world than Apple world.
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  5. #25


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    Well said BillWindows.....................very well said.
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post

    It might look as if I'm the minority, but that's because this is a tech site, the majority of people aren't that into tech, as proven by Apple products. As far as touch goes, that certainly is the future, as is mobile. The younger generation isn't even interested in PC's, so as you can see, sites like this are skewed towards older tech guys(like me by the way),who don't particularly want change.

    Look I can see where you guys are coming from, but the world isn't going to change for the sake of a few techies, when all the money is going to mobile computing. I know it's easy to rubbish MS they are a big target, and to be honest I think they've always listened to people to a great extent, as opposed to Apple who listen to no one.

    I'm sure, just as in the past Microsoft will bend again and listen to people, but they also have to do what they think is going to work for them, they have a huge obligation to shareholders and their user base. I know it's pretty easy to sit on the sidelines and throw rocks at them, but I doubt the job is as easy as we all like to think.

    Me personally, I would rather see MS succeed than fail and if they have to do things I don't always like, then so be it. I'd rather be in a MS world than Apple world.
    You are so generic with your assumptions. It doesnt look like M$ is listening to people. How do you explain that they stripped away important things like the Start button and Start menu that many still use and they would arrogantly say they won't put it back whilst forcing people to see the Metro screen as the first thing when they log on to their machine? Why did they strip away Aero when many still like it? Why didnt they just give the user a choice to have it enabled on Windows 8? Go to many other blogs, forums and other places where people can comment towards Windows 8, you still get a lot of negative feedback so don't tell me that its only the "techies" among us who are making negative feedback. In fact, its the less computer literate that would have more problems without a tutorial or guidelines since many are unfamiliar with the shortcut keys or hotkeys now that the Start menu and Start button are gone. Many of these less computer literate guys will have difficulties finding things and of course many would make rants. I for one consider myself as part of the younger generation but even still, there are younger guys who would prefer the PC for PC gaming, Photoshop, video editing, making homework using MS Word and many other things that most people would be more comfortable using mice and keyboards than touch screen. I know mobile computing is getting more popular but they shouldn't treat the Desktop and legacy apps as 2nd class citizens. They don't seem to be listening to many people, they would rather follow their target market which is mobile computing and the clouds.

    I'm also against cloud based computing because I'd rather hold the data on my own and outside developed countries, more than 95% of the areas have NO Wifi access and M$ seems to be trying to get us to the clouds.
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  7. #27


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    I'm also against cloud based computing because I'd rather hold the data on my own
    Yep, this is a big concern.
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    No good laughing at me mate, I couldn't care less which way they go. It's you people who can't drag themselves out of the past who need pitying. Regardless of your protests MS will do what it's go to do, and yeah I know, you'll go to Linux.
    "I'll go to Linux"? How random. "Can't drag myself out of the past?" As I've written before, Metro's Start Screen and its full-screen "apps" remind me of what I was using in the 1980s, though no one was so stupid in those days to create something as dumb as "The 4 Corners". I don't want to return to the past, and I certainly won't do so to cater to Microsoft's desperation at losing the mobile market. As I've explained before, the touch interface on PCs plain does not work, Metro apps suppress the Windows 7 taskbar, which is bad, and so forth. And "Microsoft is going to do what Microsoft is going to do, and I can't change it"? Wow, I never thought I could. You made a lot of unwarranted assumptions in your reply, starting with the lack of goodness in laughing at you. And obviously your claim that you "couldn't care less which way they go" is false; you're here talking about it!
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  9. #29


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    Hi there
    C'mon guys --do you really believe this load of Horse SH--te'.
    Most users will find NO problem using whatever interface Windows has.

    My experience is that it's the "Geeks" and I.T depts. that will have most problems with this stuff.
    Regular users will just take this in their stride. (And I'm an older guy from an Engineering / Oil/Gas and mining background so no I.T pre-conceptions to get rid of either).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #30


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    Win 8.1 Update 1 Pro 32-bit


    Thanks jimbo for that acute, succinct "stop" on that conversation. It was getting a bit tiresome. I almost stopped visiting this forum (like a couple of others) because of conversations like these. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but don't let it degrade into back-biting. Sheesh!!!

    I agree with you about most users taking the changes in stride. Every Windows OS since probably 3.1 has had a tutorial written in a manual or a flash movie within the intro to the OS. I we well know, no beta has such a thing!!! Users will learn either from these tutorials (at home), or their IT departments (at work).
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