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Ubuntu 12.04 vs. Windows 8: Five points of comparison

  1. #21


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    Fair enough


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    The thing i mean about the 6 months releases is that for example a program that is released after the os release (always happens) can not always be installed on that current os release (packages not compatible): you have to wait for a repository/ppa link and/or build you own binaries or just wait till they release it (maybe) on the next os release in 6 months.
    Agreed.
    It was only recently that the Ubuntu 10.04 repository started including the latest versions of Firefox.
    Until version 9(?), I was manually installing FF updates.

    The opposite is also true.
    I spent a couple of hours trying to install the latest version of Audacious (in Ubuntu 10.04) only to discover that it was designed for Gnome 3 and therefore couldn't be installed in Ubuntu 10.04 (without lots of additional work).

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  2. #22


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    I have yet to meet anyone that actually uses linux as a primary OS on their system.
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by ilesal View Post
    I dual boot Ubuntu 12.04 (Gnome Shell) and Win8. Reasons for me.

    Ubuntu.
    1) Ubuntu worked out of the box and took 20 minutes to fully install, it's fast, safe and small amount of space on HDD used.
    2) With Gnome extensions I can customize to the way I work.
    3) Endless themes and free software which can be browsed and installed in a click.
    4) Many features in Ubuntu are not found in Windows and these I miss when swapping back to Win XP at work or Win8 partition.
    5) No antivrus, endless updates or reboots.

    Win8.

    1) Photoshop.
    2) Picassa.
    3) My HP Printer software.
    2) It's new OS and I enjoy testing.
    3) Battery life is very good.

    So overall I use Win8 for offline work and Ubuntu for online, however if Adobe and other software worked without Wine I would find little reason for using Windows, just because I put in years of learning Linux and now feel more comfortable with it than Windows.
    A distro like ubuntu is small to start with the same way Knoppix for cd used to be years back. As you realize with the 12.04 seen now all these open source numbers of apps have grown as well as the size. For Knoppix as well as some others you would be running a live dvd rather then cd at this time.

    The other distro that comes loaded with some 200 apps is the Linux Mint Debian flavor where you won't be seeing a 12.04, 12.10, 13.04 or any other newer version number since it is a one time OS where you simply add and change things that run on it. It's still a bit larger then Knoppix 6.2 however while still being capatible with ubuntu unlike a regular Debian flavor.

    This will present a challenge for those who end up rejecting 8 as it seems many are. While 8 is likened to the major changes seen between 3.1, 3.11(business/network orientated) and 95 95 was a progressive change in a positive way while many now have to look at 8 as a leap backwards!

    You know where that will take many who will eventually want to move into something newer but not pleased with the changes 8 will carry don't you? A new desktop OS they can live with! Many are looking at the fruit company if not Linux or Open Solaris for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsecrank View Post
    I have yet to meet anyone that actually uses linux as a primary OS on their system.
    My friend has used Linux distros as his only OS (no dual booting) for the last ~12 years.
    He settled on Arch Linux ~6 years ago and has used it ever since.

    He hates Ubuntu and he gets a bit cranky (at Ubuntu not me) when I need help to make something work properly.
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  5. #25


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    It is a shame.

    MS has no competition in the desktop/laptop/notebook market below about $1000.

    That is not healthy.

    The reason Linux desktop o/s use is insignificant is not to do with the inhereht ability/quality of the o/s.

    There are a lot of other reasons for it.

    It would be better if Linux desktop o/s did have a significant market share.
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  6. #26


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    The only actual market place you see Linux used in would be server/network applications for businesses. Many will be using the UNIX platform for that. One reference for the commercial side of Linux can be looked over at Linux: List of Commercial Linux Applications

    Despite Wine the bulk of softwares are either proprietary for the fruit company or Windows. As you know the fruit company charges far more for their systems then the average store bought complete system running Windows with most laptops and other portables being priced under $1,000 except for the large screen deluxe model series. Some 7 notebook can be found in a Walmart as one example for about $300 as a starting price.

    The one thing that now lacks in most retail chains in the last few years however is where is all that software? Even office supply chains have cut back drastically on office as well as other wares. Most programs now are simply purchased online.

    For complete desktop systems you used to see several makes back in the late 90s offered as well. With more and more turning to custom building the few found are the cheapie makes unless going to regular factory vendor for HP, Dell, or other. You still see several laptops on display however.
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  7. #27


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    Linux distros crash for the same reasons that Windows versions crash - some code that interacts directly with hardware components (Driver software) is badly behaved and conflicts with other running code. It therefore affects some hardware combinations more often than others.

    When the driver/hardware pair is perfectly matched, the systems run stably.

    Laptops in particular are subject to OEM driver code which is often cut down from the full chipmakers driver featureset, and also the OEM code is rarely, sometimes never, updated. When combined with a BIOS that is hardly capable of configuration, this can lead to suboptimal operation of the laptop with any OS other than the one it was supplied with. On top of all this, it is mostly impossible to upgrade components like the GPU and CPU, sound and networking components, or to over- or underclock any parts of the system.

    So if you want a versatile PC, don't choose a laptop, especially from a large corporate manufacturer who is squeezing the margins and has short product lifecycles. If you want a stable operating system with your laptop, your best bet is to stay with the operating systems recommended for that model.

    That said, open source software should be easier to tweak in ways that are difficult or forbidden with proprietary Windows.
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    Linux distros crash for the same reasons that Windows versions crash - some code that interacts directly with hardware components (Driver software) is badly behaved and conflicts with other running code.
    In rare cases, conflict is the cause but almost always, it's just simply poor drivers acting alone that crash a system. In fact, the only conflict I can think of at the moment is sptd.sys and some antivirus software. Even when there is no conflict, sptd.sys can and still does crash machines all by itself - although it has gotten better as of last year or so.


    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    Laptops in particular are subject to OEM driver code which is often cut down from the full chipmakers driver featureset, and also the OEM code is rarely, sometimes never, updated. When combined with a BIOS that is hardly capable of configuration, this can lead to suboptimal operation of the laptop with any OS other than the one it was supplied with.
    Not really. As long as Vista drivers or above are available for the hardware, it doesn't really matter where they are from - laptop maker or actual hardware site - any OS can run well on any laptop with equal success. Even XP drivers in most cases work well on Vista and above.

    Never have I ever had to tell someone not to use Vista, 7 or 8 because their laptop is not good for it. With the latest drivers available, almost all if not all laptops can run any Windows version the owner wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    ...The other distro that comes loaded with some 200 apps is the Linux Mint Debian flavor where you won't be seeing a 12.04, 12.10, 13.04 or any other newer version number since it is a one time OS where you simply add and change things that run on it...
    Would you mind explaining that comment please
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  10. #30


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    Windows 7 Ultimate


    I like Ubuntu UI it looks so awesome
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