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8 things Microsoft needs to do to save Windows 8

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    8 things Microsoft needs to do to save Windows 8


    8 things Microsoft needs to do to save Windows 8


    By David Gewirtz
    April 26, 2012, 2:14am PDT


    Summary: The real world runs on real computers doing real work and those computers run Windows. Microsoft needs to remember that as they introduce Windows 8 to the real world.


    Our home media PC is getting a little long in the tooth. Its always been a bit of a problem because we bought a horizontal case that would look pretty in our media room, rather than one optimized for holding PC hardware. Right now, the machine is just about three years old, hasnt had a Windows reinstall in all that time, and has developed its own set of quirks.


    Its getting near that time. Its getting near that time when either a Windows reinstall is necessary, or its general crotchetiness will give us an excuse to build a spiffy, new machine. And that has had me thinking about whether well just put our trusty copy of 64-bit Windows 7 on it, or hold out for Windows 8.


    That
    has had me thinking about whether I even want to run Windows 8, and that got me thinking about what it would take to make Windows 8 a real, acknowledged, indisputable success in the marketplace.


    Here, then, are eight things Microsoft needs to do to save Windows 8:
    see two page report

    (I think most would agree on Item #3! )

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    well Night Hawk, even item 3, not for me. I disagree here as well. Sure the old desktop option with the start button is used but hardly. (right click). Since everything I find here, I find on the metro or the charm bar with one click

    For work I use mostly metro, with one click one opens his folders needed, his Excel worksheet or Office single document etc, shutdown, restart or logoff, while on the standard desktop one needs 2 clicks. Disagree also on the smaller screen, having a 26 inch one and it looks nice.

    So again, for me it is Windows 8 all the way and hopefully Windows 9 gets even better.

    Jeff

    Like the switch between old desktop and metro. Like the charm bar where instantly after one click all apps appear, etc;
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    Each to their own! Many are sadly disappointed and do not have any strong interest in 8 for this simple reason! They were taken offguard with the radical unannounced change MS has in store for 8 doing away with the all too familiar Start/shutdown button rather then as one writer put it using some fangled "convoluted" multi-step process to simply shutdown, restart, or log out of the desktop.

    Many are hoping MS would do the same or similar thing seen in Vista with the options for the Aero style or Classic Windows themes the older version offered there by having an option for or not for Metro as the default in all cases. This will be a large under taking by MS steering away from the all too familiar for the... what will be labeled "different OS from Windows" in a sense.

    That's precisely what the writer is pointing to as far the "Real World" desktop OS over what many will take 8 for. Obviously you can always expect to see some new changes with each new version while this was a large step by MS there.
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    Night Hawk,

    you did not read my post well, in the Metro, shutdown, restart, logoff, opening much used Excel docu's or folders open in one click, 2 clicks in the old style desktop.

    Jeff
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    Microsoft made it mouse gymnastics to shut down or restart. I think it's because they are trying to lessen their usage/visibility since an operating system working well never ever needs to be restarted. Not even after months or even years.

    So many people incorrectly believe that an OS should be restarted every so often "to fix the memory" or similar.

    Of course though, some people still like to turn off their machines because they don't use them that often.
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    With touchscreen the motion is much faster then moving the cursor around and clicking several times making the process a bit tedious iwth the new layout of things. Ask yourself which can you move and work with faster your finger tip or mouse? The answer to that is the obvious one.

    If you have been watching some of the recent tv series when someone goes to use a touchscreen you see how fast they bring up new windows as well as move them around on the screen. When using a mouse however the task is just a little more complex due to those few extra point and clicks over simply clicking on the Start button then shutdown, logoff, or restart.

    Count the steps between each to see for yourself.

    Windows 7 = 2-3 steps since the options list pops out from the side. Shutdown, Restart, or Logoff set in taskbar properties options.
    Windows 8 = 3 steps first go to lower right hand corner and wait for bar to appear, click on Power item, Select from the three. Shutdown, Restart, or Sleep

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    But, if you put a shortcut for shutdown, for restart, for log-off (3 icons) in your old system taskbar, you click only once.
    If you put this in your metro, same, you click only once.

    On the taskbar you need at least 2 clicks to open 1 Excel docu, on the metro you can do this in one click.

    So I really do not see the problem here.

    But, the problem is that when you do this in the metro, you are directed to the older screen/taskbar.

    Jeff
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    So many people incorrectly believe that an OS should be restarted every so often "to fix the memory" or similar.
    If that is a fallacy, why does restarting Windows fix glitches?
    For example, all the "Start Menu" items "losing" their icons.

    I find that I occasionally have to restart W7 to fix weird behaviour (maybe once a month).
    It's nowhere near as often as it had to be done in XP though.

    I even have to restart Ubuntu 10.04 sometimes (maybe once every 3 months).
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    If that is a fallacy, why does restarting Windows fix glitches?
    For example, all the "Start Menu" items "losing" their icons.
    I've never seen that happen. Restarting Windows does work for some people for some things. But if you notice in what I said - "an operating system working well" - quite often, people install low quality programs or use programs (Ccleaner) with settings that they don't know what they're doing with. Then we know what comes next after their own fault - "Damn &*&^*^ Microsoft."

    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    I find that I occasionally have to restart W7 to fix weird behaviour (maybe once a month).
    It's nowhere near as often as it had to be done in XP though.
    You're getting the idea. Instead of restarting (not that it's a big deal...but) - you could find the source of your issue causing the need to restart and fix it.

    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    I even have to restart Ubuntu 10.04 sometimes (maybe once every 3 months).
    Ya I just installed Ubuntu about a month or so ago on an old laptop with broken screen and external CRT. Quite pleased with its performance. The only time I ever rebooted it was when I updated it and it said it needed to. Actually, that is the only time I ever reboot my Windows pcs too. If it wasn't for Windows Updates, my machines would be up for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Microsoft made it mouse gymnastics to shut down or restart. I think it's because they are trying to lessen their usage/visibility since an operating system working well never ever needs to be restarted. Not even after months or even years.

    So many people incorrectly believe that an OS should be restarted every so often "to fix the memory" or similar.

    Of course though, some people still like to turn off their machines because they don't use them that often.
    Hi there
    In these days of Energy conservation if everybody turned their computers OFF when they weren't needing them we could save using a lot of FOSSIL fuels and reduce Greenhouse gas production.

    We have relatively cheap CLEAN Energy but we are still encouraged to turn off lights etc when we don't need them.

    Even if your computer is only using around 40-60 watts in "idle mode" -- just imagine the power consumption required for several BILLION computers left switched on needlessly.

    I always turn mine off when I'm done and I encourage others to do the same unless you really are using Solar Energy or a cheap indefinite supply of clean power.

    (Servers are another issue and often DO need to be left switched on) - I'm referring to computers that you literally don't need to have left switched on all the time when you've finished your sessions on them.

    Rebooting W8 - especially with an SSD takes seconds.

    I can't say I'm too bothered about using Metro or the "Old" menu to find and start applications -- but what I do hope is that "Classical Applications" won't all be "Metrofied" so we can only run them in Full Screen mode. -- I (and am sure others too) often want to see multiple pages of documents at the same time whether using one or multiple monitors (or even multiple web site pages at the same time too).

    Full screen mode is fine for small devices such as smart phones and tablets --but large powerful LCD monitors you often need multiple windows open at the same time on the same screen.

    Also any sort of touch screen operation on large monitors is definitely out for "classical apps" -- How do you enter data in Spread sheet cells without having your nose almost touching the screen when using a touch screen. I assure you that even using Pen input on a monitor in a Vertical position is no fun either unless you are making a drawing like you would on an old style "Drawing board" or easel and paper.

    I sit well back with a wireless keyboard or even pen device (on a Horizontal pad - not on the monitor itself) - especially with a 47 inch LCD !!!.

    I also wish the Metro tiles could be customised a bit -- if you have a few applications the tiles all look very similar. I'd also like them to be grouped.

    I think also we are getting into the pedantic arena if we are counting keystrokes to start an application -- is one extra key stroke of any consequence whatsoever if you are typing a 10,000 word document.!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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