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8 things Microsoft needs to do to save Windows 8

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    In these days of Energy conservation if everybody turned their computers OFF when they weren't needing them we could save using a lot of FOSSIL fuels and reduce Greenhouse gas production.
    Oil is not made from fossils, but rather it's abiotic. (If you really honestly think about it, the concept that it is becomes highly dumb.) That's a lie or a myth or whatever you want to call it, to make it seem scarce or whatnot. It's been a part of Earth before there was even life. That's a lie or a myth or whatever you want to call it.

    The Green movement is just a control tactic to enslave everyone with taxes and control. Energy has never been a problem, never will be and CO2 is actually greatly beneficial to our planet. Without it, there would be no life. I say let's make as much as possible.

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    Hi there.
    1) Taxation is one issue - but that's up to the respective voters / citizens of the particular jurisdiction you live in. It Has absolutely NOTHING to do with "Green" practices but usually corporate greed of various organisations. If you feel that the "Green agenda" in your part of the world is just a lame excuse for politicians pushing tax rises through -- then just dump those guys at the next set of elections.

    2) A certain amount of CO2 of course is necessary -- the problem is not to get it into a "Runaway Greenhouse state" like the Planet Venus. In any case requiring less Oil and Coal causes less pollution and I'm sure we all agree pollution is a bad thing whether or not you care about Green policies or not.

    3) Oil is MOST DEFINITLEY a Fossil fuel under almost any definition you care to name. Its production in places like Port Harcourt in Nigeria or parts of Northern Canada cause probably the most toxic waste you would ever be likely to see ANYWHERE and that under any circumstances can't be good for anyone -- and this is all MAN MADE. (There is always a certain natural amount of seepage in places that have a large Oil supply but this is MINISCULE compared with the damage caused by "sloppy" Engineering etc.

    4) Wasting anything is bad housekeeping -- and who knows that small amount of money you saved off your Energy bills might just help you get something that you really want but haven't got the money for.


    Anyway you should read this fairly simple piece about Oil -- and it explains quite clearly what Fossil fuels are (I worked over 30 years in the Oil Industry so I do have some idea about it !!!).

    http://steckvaughn.hmhco.com/HA/corr.../FOS5e_oil.pdf

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #13


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    Glitches vs Problems


    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    If that is a fallacy, why does restarting Windows fix glitches?
    For example, all the "Start Menu" items "losing" their icons.
    I've never seen that happen. Restarting Windows does work for some people for some things. But if you notice in what I said - "an operating system working well" - quite often, people install low quality programs or use programs (Ccleaner) with settings that they don't know what they're doing with. Then we know what comes next after their own fault - "Damn &*&^*^ Microsoft."
    How is the "average Joe" supposed to know what a quality programs is?
    More expensive = higher quality?
    I don't think so.

    Is Word a quality program?
    Word constantly glitches (e.g. Style failures, Numbering failures, Header and Footer failures, etc.).

    At least it's slowly improving (Word 2007 glitches < Word 2003, which glitches < Word 2000).
    Presumably, Word 2010 has less glitches than the previous version.

    When the "average Joe installs a program he/she expects it to work perfectly (with no tinkering required).
    If I am unsure of a program, I create a "System Restore" point and make a backup HDD image.
    I then install the program and hope it works.

    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    I find that I occasionally have to restart W7 to fix weird behaviour (maybe once a month).
    It's nowhere near as often as it had to be done in XP though.
    You're getting the idea. Instead of restarting (not that it's a big deal...but) - you could find the source of your issue causing the need to restart and fix it.
    That only works if a problem is permanent or repeatable.
    If it isn't permanent or repeatable, I define it as a glitch.

    If the following sequence caused a glitch/problem every time, you'd have something to work with:
    • Start Word.
    • Load any document.
    • Perform a specific operation.
    • The computer starts to misbehave.
    • Bingo.

    In reality, glitches occur seemingly at random (any program or combination of programs).

    Cosmetic glitches are only annoyances:
    • "Start Menu" icons (only) not appearing (3 or 4 times since W7 b7048).
    • Applets not loading in Ubuntu (3 or 4 times in 2 years).

    It's not worth spending hours (or days) deciphering technical documentation (assuming you can find it) to "fix" the glitch.
    Especially since rebooting only takes a couple of minutes (max).

    IMO, more emphasis should be placed on making and using backup HDD images (training for the "average Joe", that is).

    Spend a few minutes re-imaging your PC or spend hours (or days) researching and tinkering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    How is the "average Joe" supposed to know what a quality programs is?
    By becoming more knowledgeable than "average Joe".

    Word never glitches for me.
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    Free Pass


    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    How is the "average Joe" supposed to know what a quality programs is?
    By becoming more knowledgeable than "average Joe".
    That is giving a free pass to software/hardware makers who make substandard products (protected by law, to boot).
    It's the reason that Adobe Flash is still a security nightmare.

    Most people don't have the time, money or inclination, to keep up with technology.
    It is supposed to make their lives easier, not force them to engage in some sort of "Red Queen's Race".

    They expect (not unreasonably) that if they buy software and install it, it should work properly.

    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Word never glitches for me.
    You must have extraordinary luck:

    • Explorer.exe never crashes.
    • Word doesn't glitch.


    I seen those sort of things more often than I can count (on PCs at TAFE, at work and on my own PC).
    That covers AMD CPUs, Intel CPUs and several different MB manufacturers.

    Only last week during our TMG exercises, 4 out of 20 identical machines (<12 months old) had Explorer.exe crash during the exercise (they had all just been re-imaged a few days earlier).
    Explorer.exe has only crashed 2 or 3 times on my PC (since W7 b7048).

    Word is the worst when it comes to "glitchiness".
    I'd estimate that something malfunctions ~25% of the times I use it.

    Anecdotally, most of the students and instructors (on my Networking course) agree that Word is horribly unstable.

    Interestingly enough, Excel has always been "rock solid".
    I can't remember if I've ever seen it malfunction.
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  6. #16


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    Hi there

    Word DOES crash sometimes - although I have to say not particularly often and it's often caused probably by me in trying to mess about with attachments.

    Explorer.exe hasn't yet crashed although IE does sometimes -- and not a big deal.

    EXCEL seems remarkably stable however and I'm quite a "Power user" with VBA etc. used a lot as well as large charts etc.

    As far as "Security nightmare" -- well I've NEVER had any virus on a private PC -- and I have sometime in the past used some "decent Torrent" sites (if "decent" can be applied to them. I remember in the early days of W7 to get latest builds Torrents were almost "legal" !!!!!). Security is usually caused by bad computer practices and user giving away data rather than sensibly surfing the Internet. Also if you download music to a file on a PHONE card rather than a computer you won't get your PC infected as you can scan the file before it's sync'd with the PC.

    Run Windows defender -- it's just as good (or bad) as any of the other freebies out there --probably better since Ms has the resources to update the definitions frequently and issue updates as part of the normal windows update procedures.

    W8 seems remarkably sensible -- I really am at a loss to understand half of the problems and BSOD's some people experience.
    Legacy hardware or very leading edge stuff might cause problems but for legacy stuff you've got the possibility of running on VM's anyway.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    So how will MS save Windows 8 not the environment I wonder?!

    Here I generally shutdown once done and calling it a day(or night depending on schedule). People often wonder why they have so many problems with no sound, odd sound, video annormalities when first coming out of sleep or hibernation. The solution is simple. RESTART YOUR MACHINE!

    This will refresh all device drivers by emptying the active ram and freshly reload them along with Windows with the restart. Often when something else hangs or slows to a creep a fast reboot will clean it up as well. In fact while running one old game title the sound suddenly dropped off only to find the volume control on the sound card's app lowered itself for no reason! At first I thought it was simply time to recharge the batteries in the headphones until a fresh set on non rechargables were tossed in and still the sound was way low showing oddities can happen until all processes are refreshed.

    As far as IE at first I couldn't even log in at one site I frequent. Lately however IE 10 has been behaving much better and is actually a bit of an improvement over IE 9! I still put WaterFox on however as the main browser while this is a plus factor for IE being seen now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I really am at a loss to understand half of the problems and BSOD's some people experience.
    No you're not. You hit the nail on the head for more than 50% of the bsods seen so far on Windows 8: 3rd party Antivirus

    ....and you provided the correct answer:

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Run Windows defender
    So +1 rep if I could, but can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    People often wonder why they have so many problems with no sound, odd sound, video annormalities when first coming out of sleep or hibernation. The solution is simple. RESTART YOUR MACHINE!

    This will refresh all device drivers by emptying the active ram and freshly reload them along with Windows with the restart.
    The correct answer to this is install the right/latest drivers that don't cause issues and to uninstall the junky 3rd party software with drivers (antivirus and others) that cause issues too.
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    Item 3 is wrong, because whether it's a 1024x600 netbook or a 2560x1600 30 inch monitor, the new Start Menu is faster. Nobody will even try to adapt if they put the training wheels on. I wouldn't be surprised to see noobs getting around faster than vets if this is enabled.
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