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Windows 8 Consumer Preview vs. Windows 7: Benchmarked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    You would be surprised to learn just how many rave about frame rates with certain video cards over others so you can't say with any accuracy that hardly any are dedicated gamers. The faster shutdown time as first seen with 7 as well is due mainly to one thing.

    The "WaitToKillServices" entry found in the HKey_LocalMachine_System>Current Control Set>Control blah blah blah where the value for 20,000=20 seconds with Vista and earlier was reduced to 12,000=12 seconds in 7 and now sees a 5,000=5 seconds value in the CP. Sound familiar?

    The bloat complained about with Vista saw the introduction of the MinWin kernel in 7 since improved on slightly more as you would assume MS would tend to there allowing for a faster boot. These two items would be the continued effort realized by MS to speed some things up a bit.

    What I found ironic was the writer used the exact same Sata 3 drives I use here for storage and backup purposes on the S3 bus. If you shop around now you will notice many boards are strictly Sata 3. This would be area the article was making a comparison with rather then running comparisons on the endless volumes of 32bit programs on the market.

    Of course the goal there like too often seen even when all of the 7 blogs were out was to fill a news page. Once you can take the retail 8 and set the newer version up in a dual boot with 7 you could make your own first hand assessments with the programs and hardwares you have.
    Hi there
    I said about 10% which in numbers is obviously large but small compared with the "Total User" population.

    Some people do talk about things like frame rates etc even if they never have any intention of becoming gamers just as there are endless discussions on Ferraris vs Lamborghini's or Harley's vs Honda's even though these people have never even had a ride in one of these cars or on one of these bikes --much less ever owned one.

    Howeve this sort of stuff probably isn't of a huge amount of concern or importance to the great majority.

    What would be good for the next generation of computers would be Holographic screens -- imagine no physical monitors and you could have any size and as many of them as you wanted -- however the power required for this is awesome --but I have no doubt it will come.

    Cheers
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    Holographic displays use a glass screen with a special coating on them. The transparency allows for the look and feel of an image being in 3d form. The projector would simply be connected to the output on a video card which would then be the additional hardware inbetween output and display.

    They already have setups like that for computers. In fact I came across one page with a holographic touchscreen. You wouldn't necessarily see this in general application for the desktop while large groups like business presentations or store front windows would see this more often.

    As for pc gaming the trend has been away from the platform aimed at gaming systems when you look in any retail store. Manu ask how to connect a gaming system to their pc for display there however since the newer flat screen tvs can also serve as your pc display serving a dual purpose. The interest for anything holographic on your typical desktop would be for something like an action game perhaps 1st person title in 3d.

    Now when going to compare how 8 handles game crashes as well as other program fails you see a screen with the lock option and few others as well along the new task manager when pressing the ctrl-alt-del combo. The only problem is using the signoff option in order to recover the desktop!

    You log out of the current session entirely rather then simply returning to the desktop in order to see the program ended when it locks! With 7 in most case you had the popup screen and opened up if not already in the Applications tab to simply end the process to see the program closed. Yet at any other time you bring it up using the key combo you see a nice new look for it.

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    Somewhere MS made a goober in 8 so far on crash control.
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    Finishes watching a old Jetson cartoon George had a holographic monitor, EVEN Judy watched a 3D fashion show on the family TV.
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    Getting back on the subject:

    Jimbo pointed out several posts back that benchmark tests do not always apply to real-life applications. I might add that they only apply to the computers they were run on.

    But it does appear that in most cases, Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7.
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    My question is - what exactly do you mean by faster? What is faster? Personally, I think that one of the most basic OS task is to copy/move files. Can anyone with a dual boot compare file copying speeds of 7 vs 8? I mean, on the same machine, between same folders ... Comparing different machines may in fact be misleading, as this also depends on hardware and drivers. I have recently changed the motherboard in my PC - and suddenly everything got faster (with same hard drives, RAM, etc), although the OS had to be re-installed of course.

    I think for me the file copy speeds would be the main criteria for "speediness" of the OS. Shutdown time, for example, I find totally irrelevant. When I turn the machine off, I press the button and leave the room. a few seconds more or less makes no difference to me whatsoever.
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    Surprizingly on the exact same hardwares copying files with the XP Mode as well as Vista on briefly as well as 7 and the CP I haven't noticed any real difference in copy speed except with which drives you copy to or from in regards to a drive in an external usb enclosure or flash drives.. I haven't even seen any large gain when copying files back and forth between Sata II or Sata III drives where the S3s use the faster bus there.

    The faster speed for 8 will be mostly booting up as well as the lowered WaitToKillServices value in the system registry which is 5000 for 5 seconds over 7's 12000 default for 12 seconds to end up with a faster shutdown or restart figure. With touchscreen you can dance windows across the screen resizing them as you go along.

    One of the main complaints heard so far about touchscreens however has been on seeing multiple windows open at the same time when only wanting to open one due to the oversensitivity touchscreens have had so far at times. The hardware manufacturers obviously will have to address that type of problem if 8 is to be any real success is this area.
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    Strange question to ask. Copy speeds are dictate by the device you are copying too. Easy simple explanation of it is as follows. Imagine a balloon, and you wanting to fill said balloon with water, the water flow doesn't dictate the balloon's fill speed, space in the balloon does, and well as the primary opening on the balloon. So in other words, the computer's copy speed really has no bearing on the device that you are copying too. That device's speed limitation has the total bearing.
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    Drive or device speeds not only depend on bus speeds and limitations but like your comparison of how empty a balloon is how full is a drive or device? If a drive is near capacity it will tend to slow down on read/write access time.

    The same would apply to some extent with a memory card or flash drive while not as noticable. The largest impact of course would be felt with how much is on the drive or device the OS is also on as far as swap space, etc..
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    Exactly, I concur!
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