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Microsoft: Metro not just an Interface, it's a Philosophy

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    I think you are missing the point -- I'm sure even on a tablet (with a powerful enough processor) surely people will need sometimes to view multiple windows or multiple worksheets in an EXCEL workbook or simple compare one or more documents.

    Metro is fine for SINGLE WINDOW display like reading a book or casual surfing -- but until they get a decent system of Multi Window display --then forget it for serious users.

    On an Iphone or similar then single window display IS OK - but even on an Ipad I'd suggest there are times you want to view multiple Windows side by side.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    exact, peoples who like Windows 8 just use 1 monitor, how can you be effective with a PC in 2012 with only 1 monitor ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    I think you are missing the point -- I'm sure even on a tablet (with a powerful enough processor) surely people will need sometimes to view multiple windows or multiple worksheets in an EXCEL workbook or simple compare one or more documents.

    Metro is fine for SINGLE WINDOW display like reading a book or casual surfing -- but until they get a decent system of Multi Window display --then forget it for serious users.

    On an Iphone or similar then single window display IS OK - but even on an Ipad I'd suggest there are times you want to view multiple Windows side by side.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    exact, peoples who like Windows 8 just use 1 monitor, how can you be effective with a PC in 2012 with only 1 monitor ?
    It might surprise you how many regular home users only use one monitor. I use two, and can't imagine going back to just one, but I'm the exception as far as family and friends go. To get work done two or more is the way to go, but for the run of the mill home user I think one monitor is the norm. These same run of the mill home users will be the same people that when the time comes, will just blindly buy a new PC regardless of what version of Windows is on it. All they hear is that it has Windows on it. The WTF moment doesn't happen until they get it home and try to use it. Thats when my phone starts ringing. =(
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    I would guess that most of the world still uses just one monitor.
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  4. #34


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    So let me ask, who is the one who stagnate most, the one with Windows 8 and 1 monitor or the one with Windows 7 with 2 or 3 monitors ? This morning I was studying Photoshop, Photoshop was open on my main monitor, and the Kiddle version of the book on the other one. Very friendly and more productive. This reply is of course address to the one who said we will stagnate if we keep using Window 7
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    Hi there.

    Even with ONLY ONE Monitor it's still useful to be able to have multiple windows open at the same time ON THE SAME SCREEN for some applications.

    If Metro won't do this then it's DOOMED to failure on a DESKTOP (Laptop / netbook) OS.

    Ms is fine in designing an OS that's suitable for a phone / small tablet -- almost ANYTHING has to be better than "Dumbdroid" (although I LIKE samsung and HTC phones !!).

    But if they want it also to work as a desktop OS then they need to sort out what these users want too -- I don't just mean whether Metro or Start desktop menu -- that's largely irrelevant once you learn the navigation system -- but it has to be "fit for purpose" for everyday working applications -- and in a business scenario Metro in its current state is DEFINTELY NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.

    I like the idea - and don't have problems with the new navigation in W8 but I can't really use Metro as currently implemented in the stuff I want to use my computer for.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there.

    Even with ONLY ONE Monitor it's still useful to be able to have multiple windows open at the same time ON THE SAME SCREEN for some applications.

    If Metro won't do this then it's DOOMED to failure on a DESKTOP (Laptop / netbook) OS.

    Ms is fine in designing an OS that's suitable for a phone / small tablet -- almsot ANYTHING has to be better than "Dumbdroid" (although I LIKE samsung and HTC phones !!).

    But if they want it also to work as a desktop OS then they need to sort out what these users want too -- I don't just mean whether Metro or Start desktop menu -- that's largely irrelevant once you learn the navigation system -- but it has to be "fit for purpose" for everyday working applications -- and in a business scenario Metro in its current state is DEFINTELY NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.

    I like the idea - and don't have problems with the new navigation in W8 but I can't really use Metro as currently implemented in the stuff I want to use my computer for.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    If you are saying the Metro Apps are not fit for purpose, I agree. In fact I have no use for them at present, maybe later. However, Windows 8 is certainly fit for pretty much anything you would do with XP or Win7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    Hi there.

    Even with ONLY ONE Monitor it's still useful to be able to have multiple windows open at the same time ON THE SAME SCREEN for some applications.

    If Metro won't do this then it's DOOMED to failure on a DESKTOP (Laptop / netbook) OS.

    Ms is fine in designing an OS that's suitable for a phone / small tablet -- almsot ANYTHING has to be better than "Dumbdroid" (although I LIKE samsung and HTC phones !!).

    But if they want it also to work as a desktop OS then they need to sort out what these users want too -- I don't just mean whether Metro or Start desktop menu -- that's largely irrelevant once you learn the navigation system -- but it has to be "fit for purpose" for everyday working applications -- and in a business scenario Metro in its current state is DEFINTELY NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.

    I like the idea - and don't have problems with the new navigation in W8 but I can't really use Metro as currently implemented in the stuff I want to use my computer for.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    If you are saying the Metro Apps are not fit for purpose, I agree. In fact I have no use for them at present, maybe later. However, Windows 8 is certainly fit for pretty much anything you would do with XP or Win7.
    Hi there

    Agree -- W8 even on a small netbook with an SSD it runs like "Greased Lightning".

    My only concern is that if the standard desktop disappears and we HAVE to use Metro -- then I'm stymied currently -- I NEED multple Windows either on the same or on a different monitor. Many people in business need to compare documents / data side by side etc.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    And 99% of the enterprise world is going to stick with Windows 7 until 2020. For the record, Windows 8 will support multiple monitors in different ways. Not only can you extend the desktop across multiple monitors (while spanning the taskbar), you can also set them up so that Metro is on one display and Desktop on the other.

    Outside of work, I'm fine with one monitor on Windows 7. At work I use three, but that's because I have Outlook and SCSM open the entire day at work on the outside monitors, and my active working windows on the centre monitor.
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    Metro is really a philosophy for them. I think that's something right there. I once read that they gave out a 17 page metro design book and in the first page, it basically said that the book isn't a design language, it's the future of Microsoft.

    I like metro design. Once you wrap your head around it, it makes perfect sense. Then again, I wrapped my head around this two years ago...
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    There will be a replacement for the desktop at some stage.

    It will called something else - some silly name , I expect.

    It will look different, but it will be a desktop nonetheless.

    You will be able to do these things:

    Jimbo:
    surely people will need sometimes to view multiple windows or multiple worksheets in an EXCEL workbook or simple compare one or more documents.

    Metro is fine for SINGLE WINDOW display like reading a book or casual surfing -- but until they get a decent system of Multi Window display --then forget it for serious users.
    Therefore it is a desktop - it will just be made to look different.

    We should scrap the word "Desktop".

    We should call the "Main" UI instead.

    I have already started doing that .

    (Largely because there is concerted attempt by marketing monsters to denigrate the "Desktop" and make it seem old and useless. The more gullible are falling for that rubbish already )
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