Wintel Tablets to Start at $599

This will be interesting. The latest ARM processors are really powerful and when I think of 'Atom', I think of low performance and higher electricity consumption (as compared to ARM).

On the other hand, with a X86 tablet you have access to all the traditional Windows programs.

That is pretty expensive - won't most folk want one of those as a second ( or third ) machine?

SIW2 said:

That is pretty expensive - won't most folk want one of those as a second ( or third ) machine?

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$299 would be the right price for a toy like that. I am sure prices will come down after a while when enough competitive devices are on the market. The XOOM also started at $800 and now you can get one for $349.

You can get a good notebook with a i5 for $ 599

Exactly you can a decent machine for $599 - a craplet would need to be half that or less.

SIW2 said:

...... a craplet .

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I like this name ...lol

That sounds probably right for an Intel tablet, but an AMD tablet, NO....

I'll be waiting for AMD's new APU Trinity series to come out to the mobile market. Those, from what I've read and seen, are rather impressive. Intel has always beat the crap out of AMD one the desktop market, but I think the mobile market is where AMD will have their come back. They make decent performing chips for less than Intel, and with less energy consumption. Having said that, I would bet an AMD tablet would run in the 400 range on a really competitive basis. But realistically, 500 might be the actual price, but we'll see.

Actually, you can get a Windows 7 on and AMD processor for 550 dollars...

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Coke Robot, in case you don't know yet, Intel will release very soon new 22nm processors that will put out of the market the AMD APU processors. When AMD will not be in the game anymore, Intel will then ask the price they want for their stuff. So Intel processors are cheap the time they eliminate AMD of the market. This, Windows 8 and Microsoft Cloud control is what will look our future.

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The 22nm manufacturing process will come at an expense with Intel. It ALWAYS has. Just a 32nm mobile i5 or even i3 processor from Intel would be almost half the price of a Windows slate. AMD has traditionally always been the choice for budget builds. Not only that, they also use less energy and have been known to make strides in reducing energy consumption of their chips. Intel is great on desktops, but going mobile, it's not always that practical. Not everyone needs a top of the line processor, AMD is what the choice will be for that.

Coke Robot said:

Not only that, they also use less energy and have been known to make strides in reducing energy consumption of their chips. .

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you have no idea of what you are talking about, have you only check the specs of the IVY processors ?

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Coke Robot said:

Not only that, they also use less energy and have been known to make strides in reducing energy consumption of their chips. .

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you have no idea of what you are talking about, have you only check the specs of the IVY processors ?

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I do know what I'm talking about. AMD has been known to manufacturer chips that use less energy. Do you know what you're talking about?

Coke Robot said:

I do know what I'm talking about. AMD has been known to manufacturer chips that use less energy. Do you know what you're talking about?

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As I said look at the 22nm processors specs . they gone offer 60% increase on the iGPU performance, 37% more performance on the CPU and with 50% less power draw. Intel already leaves AMD in the dust, the new 22nm and next 14nm will just seal the faith of AMD. They will even have a new quad core Atom with a good iGPU and only draw 10 watts
AMD don't even own foundry anymore, Intel have their own foundry and they are few step behind AMD on it. Now that Intel eclipses AMD in the High End CPU, they will target AMD APU processors. They have more resources, so it’s only a matter of time.

Don't get me wrong, I love AMD, I use only AMD in my VM Host servers, I even have a FX-8150 in one of my workstation, but I'm not blind; I see Intel get over them more and more.

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Coke Robot said:

I do know what I'm talking about. AMD has been known to manufacturer chips that use less energy. Do you know what you're talking about?

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As I said look at the 22nm processors specs . they gone offer 60% increase on the iGPU performance, 37% more performance on the CPU and with 50% less power draw. Intel already leaves AMD in the dust, the new 22nm and next 14nm will just seal the faith of AMD. They will even have a new quad core Atom with a good iGPU and only draw 10 watts
AMD don't even own foundry anymore, Intel have their own foundry and they are few step behind AMD on it. Now that Intel eclipses AMD in the High End CPU, they will target AMD APU processors. They have more resources, so it’s only a matter of time.

Don't get me wrong, I love AMD, I use only AMD in my VM Host servers, I even have a FX-8150 in one of my workstation, but I'm not blind; I see Intel get over them more and more.

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And the look at the cost of said Intel chips. Those don't come without a decent penny. A mobile i5, 32nm processor will run you nearly 250 dollars.

Even then, AMD's new APU line will be, I believe, at the 32nm level, or I think 22nm. And the next series will be at 14nm. If I were to manufacture a decent midlevel tablet running Windows, I would choose AMD over Intel because they're least expensive. Intel has always been the leading edge of processor technology, but not everyone appreciates that. AMD comes in and they offer fairly decent processors for budget builds that satisfy the needs of a user and then some. Intel is sometimes overkill.

AMD's working on improving their APUs. Recent info on them reports 30 percent improvement overall compared to the previous Llano series. They will have the Radeon 7000 graphics chips built on them. I've seen some of the performance on their laptop Trinity series APUs, and it looks rather promising.

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And the look at the cost of said Intel chips. Those don't come without a decent penny. A mobile i5, 32nm processor will run you nearly 250 dollars.

Even then, AMD's new APU line will be, I believe, at the 32nm level, or I think 22nm. And the next series will be at 14nm. .

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Can you get your facts clear please, AMD have only 40nm and 32 nm, they canceled the 28nm because they can't make them, Global Foundry have enough problem with yield of 32 nm ... so you can't just forget the 22nm and 14nm.

AMD Fusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

area 66 said:

Coke Robot said:

And the look at the cost of said Intel chips. Those don't come without a decent penny. A mobile i5, 32nm processor will run you nearly 250 dollars.

Even then, AMD's new APU line will be, I believe, at the 32nm level, or I think 22nm. And the next series will be at 14nm. .

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Can you get your facts clear please, AMD have only 40nm and 32 nm, they canceled the 28nm because they can't make them, Global Foundry have enough problem with yield of 32 nm ... so you can't just forget the 22nm and 14nm.

AMD Fusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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28 and lower nm manufacturing will come LATER, not this year, but as in the next APU series that comes out after this. I want to make that clear.

Tom's Hardware US

For the record, I'm speaking about the UPCOMING AMD Trinity APU series, not the current lineup of Llano.

Coke Robot said:

28 and lower nm manufacturing will come LATER, not this year, but as in the next APU series that comes out after this. I want to make that clear.

Tom's Hardware US

For the record, I'm speaking about the UPCOMING AMD Trinity APU series, not the current lineup of Llano.

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Me I’m living today, today the Intel 22nm are here, Intel just wait to launch them that Dell, Lenovo and co. lower their OLD CPU inventory. We know well that AMD promises have no value at all, look what happen to Bulldozer, an Epic Fail. Do you really thing Intel will stop there. When AMD is trying to produce 28 nm chips, Intel have already 22nm and prepare the 14nm, this is more than a step behind. Aside you will not see a Dell tablet with an AMD and Dell will have a big share of the Wintel tablet. We have to not forget Nvidia, they are in the game too.

Yes we can buy a $599 notebook but does it have a touchscreen for that price? Hmmm. I think we should not be surprised if the industry thinks tablets should be more expensive than notebooks because they have touchscreen and are slimmer. Not happy about it but I will not be surprised.

area 66 said:

Coke Robot said:

28 and lower nm manufacturing will come LATER, not this year, but as in the next APU series that comes out after this. I want to make that clear.

Tom's Hardware US

For the record, I'm speaking about the UPCOMING AMD Trinity APU series, not the current lineup of Llano.

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Me I’m living today, today the Intel 22nm are here, Intel just wait to launch them that Dell, Lenovo and co. lower their OLD CPU inventory. We know well that AMD promises have no value at all, look what happen to Bulldozer, an Epic Fail. Do you really thing Intel will stop there. When AMD is trying to produce 28 nm chips, Intel have already 22nm and prepare the 14nm, this is more than a step behind. Aside you will not see a Dell tablet with an AMD and Dell will have a big share of the Wintel tablet. We have to not forget Nvidia, they are in the game too.

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I'm living in the release of Windows 8 slates, and new mobile processors.
Granted, the Bulldozer series and mobile Llano chips were let downs, but that's the start for AMD. If they're smart, they'll rebound. And again, tighter manufacturing results in higher chip prices, as we all know comes with Intel.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, AMD doesn't come at a huge expense to the normal user. Some people don't need overkill processors, they need what they need and that doesn't always mean Intel, many could easily settle for AMD; and if AMD is smart, they'll hit that hard.

Take for example, a current Windows 7 slate. The cheapest I've seen is 500 dollars, and it's a dual core AMD processor at 1.1GHz. The higher than that is generally running an Intel chip that can get to over 1,000 dollars easy. Which would the common user interested in Windows slates choose?

I think you are right Coke. The slate market is extremely price sensitive. Normal people are not willing to pay fortunes for those toys.

That may be different for commercial customers. But even here, if you think of the hordes of sales people who often have to buy their tools themselves, it makes sense to have low cost offerings for simple tasks.