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Late May claim for Windows 8 RC jibes with expected timetable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    I haven't seen the popup for that at all on VM Player 4.0 but have seen it regularly on the VMLite Workstation. The VM install is mainly a reference install anyways since I already have a working dual boot with 7 seeing the CP on a second test drive.
    You can install the tools manually from the Virtual Machine Settings menu.
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    Thanks for the explanation Night Hawk. I learned a little somethin somethin. I wanted to give rep but the system is not letting me. I don't see the icon for it anywhere. Maybe I gave out too much or something like that, but not sure.

    Edit: I just read I can't because this is the News subforum.
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    You wouldn't be able to install the two CPs(x86, x64) on the 32bit 7's install of VM Player which would also be 32bit! I run the 64bit Ultimate as well as the 64bit version of VM Player 4.0 being the latest version for that.
    Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. The ability to run a 64bit guest on a 32bit host OS is processor dependant. Providing your processor is 64bit and it supports the correct extensions you can do this. To check you can run VMware Processor Check for 64-Bit Compatibility
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calico View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    You wouldn't be able to install the two CPs(x86, x64) on the 32bit 7's install of VM Player which would also be 32bit! I run the 64bit Ultimate as well as the 64bit version of VM Player 4.0 being the latest version for that.
    Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. The ability to run a 64bit guest on a 32bit host OS is processor dependant. Providing your processor is 64bit and it supports the correct extensions you can do this. To check you can run VMware Processor Check for 64-Bit Compatibility
    Not all VM programs support even running a 64bit guest OS. For that you may see a 64bit version of the program itself which will then a 64bit guest.

    The option for installing the VMware Tools is found greyed out when first running VM Player itself and unavailable once the guest OS is loaded. The drawbacks typical of a free version.

    The VM is only a temporary reference install anyways since the second drive here has the direct install seen to. And even that will soon be replaced hopefully by the 8 RC. The VM option simplified grabbing screens of the repair tools you would otherwise need a camera to take while booting live from the dvd. The new logo screen and lock screens were also snapped as well.
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    [QUOTE=Night Hawk;80063]
    Quote Originally Posted by Calico View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    You wouldn't be able to install the two CPs(x86, x64) on the 32bit 7's install of VM Player which would also be 32bit! I run the 64bit Ultimate as well as the 64bit version of VM Player 4.0 being the latest version for that.
    Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. The ability to run a 64bit guest on a 32bit host OS is processor dependant. Providing your processor is 64bit and it supports the correct extensions you can do this. To check you can run VMware Processor Check for 64-Bit Compatibility
    Not all VM programs support even running a 64bit guest OS. For that you may see a 64bit version of the program itself which will then a 64bit guest.
    We are talking about VMWare here, but the same is true of Virtualbox and Parallels.

    The option for installing the VMware Tools is found greyed out when first running VM Player itself and unavailable once the guest OS is loaded. The drawbacks typical of a free version.

    The VM is only a temporary reference install anyways since the second drive here has the direct install seen to. And even that will soon be replaced hopefully by the 8 RC. The VM option simplified grabbing screens of the repair tools you would otherwise need a camera to take while booting live from the dvd. The new logo screen and lock screens were also snapped as well.
    You still have access to VMWare Tools even when using VMWare Player. If the option is greyed out, it could be you don't have the latest version of the tools installed - check Operating System Specific Packages Home Page or when you installed the guest, you chose the wrong OS type for the VM.
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    Without any option for 8 I had to go with "other" not 7 x64 when going to install the CPs. Selecting 7 ended up flopping when tried despite the rename of the VM to 8.

    I'm not actually worried about it that much however since the "Real McCoy" install is found on the second HD here to start with for testing and evaluation. In other words a good lookover under real world circumstances while the VM is mainly a reference tool.

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    As you can see there with the Faststone Capture program in use on the VM it's good to have a VM while booted in 7 if you need to grab a screen to show something to someone without rebooting each time.

    It's also a faster way to try something new out on the CP on VM before applying it on the install to physical drive. That can help with compatibility as well as the tweaks being seen now for 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Without any option for 8 I had to go with "other" not 7 x64 when going to install the CPs. Selecting 7 ended up flopping when tried despite the rename of the VM to 8...
    For future reference, when you install Windows 8 in VMWare - until they add the option - choose Windows 7.

    1. Create a New VM
    2. Choose Install Operating System later
    3. Choose Microsoft Windows/Windows 7
    4. Rename to your liking
    5. Store VD as single file
    6. Choose Customise hardware
    7. Select New CD/DVD...
    8. Select Use ISO image
    9. Play VM
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    One thing I found was that VM Player is connected but not the CP guest. Someone else had mentioned the bridged connection was seeing results so I left it set that and decided to try another browser to see if it was IE 10 beta related.

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    The VM Ware Tools option is still greyed out and had been tried when the CP was first installed. Otherwise the external HD as well as flash drive couldn't be unmounted from host to mount on VM and vice versa. Another problem came up however with the 64bit flavor of FireFox WaterFox which took a few tries on the physical drive's installation and no surprize being stubborn on VM as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    One thing I found was that VM Player is connected but not the CP guest. Someone else had mentioned the bridged connection was seeing results so I left it set that and decided to try another browser to see if it was IE 10 beta related.


    The VM Ware Tools option is still greyed out and had been tried when the CP was first installed. Otherwise the external HD as well as flash drive couldn't be unmounted from host to mount on VM and vice versa. Another problem came up however with the 64bit flavor of FireFox WaterFox which took a few tries on the physical drive's installation and no surprize being stubborn on VM as well.
    In all honesty, I'd think about reinstalling VMWare and creating a new VM, using the instructions posted above. I use various nightly builds of firefox, including the x64 builds and they all work as they should.
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    Well the Linux VM connects without problems being the other VM presently seen. It could still be an install glitch with the 4.0 version of VM Player no less. The Workstation 8.0 indication is seen with the VM however while this is still the free not full version of VM ware being used.

    As a rule I don't do much online while in a VM except any direct downloads of utilities and other things for trying out as well as any MS updates. The CP install is simply to prevent the need to reboot out of 7 while busy for a quick reference and can be left sitting idle.

    The stand alone install later added in a boot option seeing a dual boot entry for either of the two drives for the other is where the real interest is! That's where trying out varous softwares and finding out where the new things are as well as what 8 will support is where the focus is.

    This was a first however seeing a VM wanting device drivers! The drivers went right on but the "Failed to start hardware" Code 0x0 error is something you wouldn't expect on any VM! Every other VM has always used NAT and connected instantly regardless of version or even which OS went on!

    For the time being however the focus will be more on the installation on the second drive there until the RC release is seen in late May. Another VM for that will show right off if this is from any bug in the CP that would be corrected by then.

    As far as first creating a VHD in VM Player and then trying to custom install 8 onto it. Each attempt failed since VM Player still prompted for a new one either multiple or single file. That was with both Windows 7 and other chosen as the OS.
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